Hey all, if you haven't seen "Religulous" yet, would you do me a favor and go this weekend? I swear not for me, I am honestly not interested in ever making a movie again - I'm like Danny Glover in Lethal Weapon, "I'm too old for this shit." But this one I would like to do well so America gets it that there's a lot of people who at least would like this to be a subject we can talk about and debate. And, its a hoot! I've gotten so many e mails and texts from people who say "I just saw your movie, and at the end everyone applauded. " Something must be going on here, how many times do you see that in movies these days?
Thank you!
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«Oldest ‹Older 1601 – 1747 of 1747Dear Niki,
I'm confused regarding your connection between Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Bill Maher and your father. Limbaugh doesn't work for Fox News. Are you saying that your father was a Limbaugh fan who also watched Fox News, and at some point, watched Religulous, and had some sort of "conversion" which caused him to stop listening to Limbaugh's broadcast, stopped watching Fox News, and replaced all of those media hours with the occasional Maher broadcast?
If all of that is the case, I think a post from your father would be extraordinary. He would be in a position to explain how your miraculous intervention saved his life.
People do change their minds. If a "ditto head" and Fox News junkie stopped watching 24/7 conservative programming for the opportunity to catch a smidgen of Maher, then I want to hear that man's story first hand!!!
Sincerely,
Mark
Been thinkin a bit . . . Mark, I read your post several times. Can you say exactly how your life has been adversely affected? I know Bush being elected has adversely affected many lives as far as the war in Iraq and many persons have been killed Americans, Iraqis and others. So I was just wondering if someone in your family has been hurt or killed.
Everyone has the right to vote whether it's the religious right or union members of the AFL-CIO, etc. Any one group could possibly sway an election if they had enough numbers. In many cases taunting or ridiculing persons or a group only reinforces their determination and conviction for what they believe. On lady that used to be a Mormon said she was persecuted into her adult life because of her religion but the more she was persecuted or mocked that only made her stronger in her faith.
Anyway, just thinking . . .
Loved the movie, but I was waiting for you to point out that Christianity is a religion based on human sacrifice. I shudder with disgust every time I see a cross with a human hanging on it.
Hi Janice,
Thanks for reading my post. I did serve in the Army years ago, and statistically it's likely I know a soldier who has died in Iraq. But, I've lost touch with all of my old pals, so, no, I haven't seen any names or pictures of anybody I remember dying in either Iraq or Afghanistan. Nor do I know any of the innocent Iraqi citizens (including women and children) who have been killed. Does this mean I'm not directly affected by the war? I suppose you could make that argument. While I do believe that a lot of blood has been shed, not just in the name of Christ, but in the name of many gods, I don't think I ever pointed specifically to the war in Iraq as one of them. It's possible Bush really did have faulty intelligence on Iraq, and I don't necessarily see this as a holy war (especially the Afghanistan conflict).
Christian's affect my life in ways that are trivial, and in ways that are potentially serious. On the trivial side, I think it's nonsense that I can't buy liquor in Texas on a Sunday. It's OK for anybody to roll their eyes at this point, because, as I mentioned it's pretty trivial. But, the "mindset" behind the blue laws, or bible belt laws are not trivial. It's a way of controlling my behavior to satisfy somebody's piety.
On the serious side, we will never know how much it cost us scientifically to lose eight years of embryonic stem cell research. On the serious side we have massive human rights violations with unequal treatment of gays.
I don't think I have to be dying of some incurable disease or gay to say I'm directly affected by these serious things that are opposed by Christian Fundamentalists.
Sincerely,
Mark
Hummm, Mark . . . lol
Maybe you can get enough liquor to last through Sunday. I’m kinda thinking one day outta the week ain’t so bad. But I guess alcoholics will find liquor whatever day it is. I don’t mean you. (Smile) Just in general.
I have spoken to several Muslims that had to leave Iraq either because of Saddam or the war. Some had left because of Saddam but then could not go back home because of the war or had to leave again. One guy said his brother had to carry 2 ids in case he got stopped. He would either pull out a fake id for Sunni or Shite depending on who stopped him so they would not kill him. It’s just really sad people have to live like that. And I’m kinda feelin sad for the people in Italy today. What a world . . .
Anyway, I just wanted to touch base on human sacrifice. Crucifixion was a common form of execution among the Romans. Many of the Christians died by crucifixion or the atrocities of the arena.
It can be said perhaps that Christians sacrificed their lives just as Christ instead of demanding retribution or retaliation for the maltreatment they received from the Romans or the Jews.
"A careful review of all the information [also] available goes to show that, until the time of Marcus Aurelius [who ruled 161-180 C.E.], no Christian became a soldier; and no soldier, after becoming a Christian, remained in military service."-The Rise of Christianity, Ernest W. Barnes, 1947, p. 333.
Whether the cross was the means of crucifixion should be highly suspect. It appears the cross was used as a pagan symbol for centuries prior and not surprisingly the symbol in Constantine's dream. See Report Below.
IMAGE OF JESUS' CRUCIFIXION MAY BE WRONG, SAYS STUDY
PARIS (AFP) - The image of the crucifixion, one of the most powerful emblems of Christianity, may be quite erroneous, according to a study which says there is no evidence to prove Jesus was crucified in this manner.
Around the world, in churches, on the walls of Christian homes, on crucifixes worn as pendants, in innumerable books, paintings and movies, Jesus Christ is seen nailed to the cross by his hands and feet, with his head upwards and arms outstretched.
But a paper published by Britain's prestigious Royal Society of Medicine (RSM) says this image has never been substantiated in fact.
Christ could have been crucified in any one of many ways, all of which would have affected the causes of his death, it says.
"The evidence available demonstrates that people were crucified in different postures and affixed to crosses using a variety of means," said one of the authors, Piers Mitchell of Imperial College London.
"Victims were not necessarily positioned head up and nailed through the feet from front to back, as is the imagery in Christian churches."
The authors do not express any doubt on the act of Jesus' crucifixion itself.
But they note that the few eyewitness descriptions available today of crucifixions in the 1st century AD show the Romans had a broad and cruel imagination.
Their crucifixion methods probably evolved over time and depended on the social status of the victim and on the crime he allegedly committed, says the paper in April's issue of the RSM journal.
The cross could be erected "in any one of a range of orientations", with the victim sometimes head-up, sometimes head-down or in different postures.
Sometimes he was nailed to the cross by his genitals, sometimes the hands and feet were attached to the side of the cross and not the front, or affixed with cords rather than nails.
"If crucified head-up, the victim's weight may also have been supported on a small seat. This was believed to prolong the time it took a man to die," says the study, co-authored by Matthew Masien, also of Imperial College London's medicine faculty.
Crucifixion was widely practised by the Romans to punish criminals and rebels, but if the empire ever circulated instructions for the soldiers who carried out the gruesome task, none has survived today.
Nor is there any detailed account of the method of Jesus' crucifixion in the four Gospels of the Bible (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) which are believed to be near contemporary accounts of the life of Christ.
And only one piece of archaeological evidence has ever been found about a crucifixion, mainly because crucified people were not formally buried but left on a rubbish dump to be eaten by wild dogs and hyenas, say Masien and Mitchell.
This case entails a young Jewish man, whose inscription on an ossuary, found near Giv'at ha-Mivtar in Israel, suggests his name was probably Yehonanan ben Hagkol.
The clue to his demise comes from an 11.5-centimetre (4.8-inch) iron nail that had been hammered through one of his heels, attaching it to the side of the cross. But there are no signs of any nail holes in the bones of the wrist or the forearm.
Over the past 150 years, there have been at least 10 books and studies to try to understand the physical causes of Jesus' death, and one US attempt, in 2005, even featured a "humane re-enactment" in which volunteers were attached to a cross in safe and temporary way, using gloves and belts.
These explorations have yielded a wide range of hypotheses, from heart failure and pulmonary embolism to asphyxia and shock induced by falling blood pressure.
Excruciating pain endured over the six hours between crucifixion and death, loss of blood, dehydration and the weight of the body on the lungs are cited as contributing factors.
But, the study says, these efforts have all been prejudiced by the automatic assumption, derived from religious images, that Jesus was crucified head-up.
Given the uncertainty as to exactly how he was crucified, the answer may only ever come if some new archaeological evidence or piece of writing emerges from the shadows of the past, it says.
03/30/2006 03:21
I saw it yesterday! Highly thought-provocative. The irony, sarcasm and your wit is amazing. I think that it deserves a tv series with each episode portraying one of these religions, cults, etc. You missed for example that krishna conscious deitis parade... Cheers!
Bill -
Loved the movie- well done.
Don't know if you a familiar with the TED conference at TED.com
Check out Tom Honey's view on god. Very interesting.
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/tom_honey_on_god_and_the_tsunami.html
(You could have named the movie - "my god is better than your god")
Hello Bill. My Name is Andrew Kuharevicz, one of the many individuals who thanks you for your personal call to stand up for what is right. I am a student in the Midwest majoring in philosophy. Believe it or not, even within modern philosophical circles I am in the minority. I wanted to send you a article that I included in would of my books pertaining to distancing our modern world from deceptive and outdated ideologies but I could not find your e mail address. If you ever check these replies perhaps you could read it. I don't no man, but its getting fucking worse. In Michigan especially and within the middle class who are in a way being destroyed because of their questioning such hypocritical contradictions.
Type in Andrew Kuharevicz and you could check out my book if your not busy. Whatever, its not a shameless plea for people to read my existential stance on our modern world, I just believe its about time. Maybe I'm young but hell, being old and misleading yourself in bullshit sure as hell does not make you wise.
Anyway Hope this makes it way to you.
Even after a bottle of overpriced fox horn chardonnay, I cracked up when you said, "Grow up or die." I have been saying that ever since I got suspended for falling asleep in high school during god damn religion class. Priceless...
Thanks man...
Sincerely
Andrew Hemeren Kuharevicz
andrew.h.kuharevicz@wmich.edu
Dear Bill, watched your movie on DVD in Cape Town, South Africa yesterday. It was in the cinema here (briefly) but unfortunately I did not see it then. Brilliant! South Africa remains a country plagued by religion. The apartheid government of course used the church and religion to brain wash whites into believing that apartheid was God's will... And still we haven't learnt our lesson!
The scene where you were kicked out the Vatican reminded me of the scene in "Deliver us from Evil" where the Pope refused to see the victims of sexual abuse at the hands of a Catholic priest in California. And the Pope still thinks he has the right to express an opinion about somebody else's life!
Keep up the good work. It is time that those of us who do not believe (or doubt) stand up and be counted. And to make it clear that we are not going to tolerate much longer what is being done in and to the world in the name of a god or religion.
Hey Bill, saw religilous, don't agree but understand where your scientific logic is coming from. if faith were 100% logical, it wouldn't be faith. Personally, I believe that if one believes there is a creator and the earth and all that is in it is not just a big happenstance, you should also believe that that same God would want you to know your purpose as his creation. The bible is the most published book and I believe God has something to do with that. Respect the Jew, they are his first love. anyways, gay marriage, all these "religous" politicians and americans who think God respects man's institution of marriage are not reading their bible. 1st Corinthians chapter 6 verse 19 and 20 says even if a man joins his member to a prostitute, he has become one flesh with that prostitute. They are as married as Adam and Eve who also didn't need a JOP or Certificate. I know it might not be technically cool to quote a bible verse on your show, but i think it should be done. Just don't twist anything like Satan does. Satan paraphrased God's word back to Eve in order to deceive her into eating the forbidden fruit. thanks, andrew
Reading from King James Version, 1 Cor 6:13-20:
13Now the body is NOT for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14And God both raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by His power. 15Do you know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Certainly not! 16Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For “the two,” He says, “shall become one flesh.” 17But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him. 18Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 19Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.”
It doesn’t appear the verses above are condoning sexual relations with a harlot or prostitute but relating a person would become one in committing an immoral act. In this case, ‘what’s good for the goose is good for the gander’ or what’s bad. In earlier verses, 1 Cor 6:9-11, it reads:
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, not thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.”
God’s Word is clear concerning these issues. Although God extends his mercy and forgiveness, the language is plain for everyone to understand, immorality will not be tolerated among subjects of God’s kingdom or the new government ruled by Christ. Although we have freedoms, we still have to control wrong desires such as in the case of Adam and Eve. It was not just a simple matter to overlook or a mistake but because of wanting to fulfill a wrong desire they took something that did not belong to them.
On another note, the Bible says ‘God loved the world that he gave his only-begotten son so that everyone exercising faith might gain everlasting life’ in the future as subjects of his kingdom. The first fruits of that government were of course Jews in regards to the promise made to Abraham. The scriptures also bring out that others among all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues were chosen as well to complete the number of rulers with Christ. These rulers also serve as priests and counselors to mankind. They will be superior than any human savior or government this world elects or exalts .
Dear Andrew,
I think your quote "if faith were 100% logical, it wouldn't be faith," is the single most baffling kind of statement that atheists rail against. Are you suggesting that we should aspire to be less than 100% logical? When should we choose to be logical and when should we choose to be illogical? Should we choose to be illogical when the facts don't match scripture? Should we choose to be illogical when religious leaders tell us to be illogical? Are scientists to be refuted because they refuse to be illogical?
The movie Religulous asserts that saying "I don't know" is neither illogical nor blasphemous. Maybe my philosophy teacher was an idiot, but he taught me that the beginning of wisdom is the statement "I don't know."
Most scientists are not afraid to say "I don't know." Most scientists are convinced that since the supernatural cannot be proven, it most likely does not exist. If, Andrew, you need to point out that this assertion of the scientists is also a kind of "faith," I honestly cannot disagree with you sir.
The difference is that the majority of scientists reach a conclusion of "I don't know" after logically exploring the issues, and believers in the supernatural conclude "I do know" without any proof.
Sincerely,
Mark
janice-
why on earth would you continue searching for valuable information in antiquated texts? Would you study writings from the Bronze Age to tell you how to perform a heart tranplant? I think not. 2000 years ago they thought that a meteor was a message from god, which needed to be interpreted or worshiped, lest famine, disease or a natural disaster be bestowed on them. Today we know that it is just a rock, skyrocketing through our solar system, that got caught in our gravitational pull and fell to Earth. Please continue to look for answers, but look forward and not back.
Philosophy is questions that my never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.
Peace.
Hi Josie,
Thank you for you comment. I haven’t read any ancient writings on heart transplants but I have read the thoughts of several ancient scientists and astronomers and compared how they measured up to science today. A lot of our early knowledge came from their foundations or writings even if they didn’t have all the tools necessary for a correct analysis. As far as the Bible is concerned, reviewing ancient writers or rabbinical writings should also include writings of our modern era or previous eras. To understand how some languages have changed or progressed throughout the centuries even from the time of King James, we can better understand meanings or interpretations of a language or the Bible.
Although it may be painful to look back in history, it’s good to reflect on the past while I agree with you, we should always move forward in a positive way. We can also learn a lot from secular history of the past. Many valuable writings or books from hundreds or thousands of years ago teach us about the world at that time, about people’s lives and history of our world. Just because it may seem like ancient history to some doesn’t mean it doesn’t contain a wealth of information to others. Many secular historical writings, records, monuments, artifacts, etc. have verified many of the Biblical accounts, one being that of Pontius Pilate whom critics of the Bible adamantly claimed never existed. Archaeological finds whether it’s ancient writings, or whole cities should be of interest to us if not just for our own knowledge as well as whatever information we can gain today in the way of news or developments.
If I could interject on the subject again, Faith is not blind fait. The scriptures clearly suggest questioning our faith constantly. There is nothing wrong with asking questions as to what you believe and why or questioning the truth of any matter. There is nothing wrong with questioning God . . . judging God? That’s another question . . .
At the same time, persons may doubt the existence of God for various reasons. However, there is no reason not to know God if anyone truly puts forth a continuous effort. This is true of getting to know any person if you want them to be your friend. Logically, it takes time to get to know them, what they like or dislike and if you have similar interests. The way to get to know God is by reading his word each day preferably starting at the beginning. If we search for God, he will ‘let himself be known.’
Many people have had a supernatural experience either good or bad in their lifetime so it’s easier for them to believe in God or realize there are other forces operating in the world. Having the ‘peace of God that excels all thought’ or the spirit of God doesn’t require a person to act irrationally or think in an illogical way. Worshiping God does not require shouting, speaking inaudibly, or being overly dramatic reaching for the sky. Meditating for a few minutes a day saying a simple but heartfelt prayer is more advantageous.
Janice-
I do believe meditation to be a valuable tool: Expanding and resinating calm, quiet and peace is very beneficial in settling the mind and opening the heart. . Being thankful is also of value, but actual prayer is quite another thing. Communing with voices or asking for a particular outcome for your request is a waste of time at best and insane in the most severe.
I don't negate the fact that much of the Bible is a historical account of occurance. What is complete farce is-- an unwavering belief in the interpretation of said occurances as written by the Bronze Age mind.
The universe is exponentially vast. It is so large that our small minds cannot even comprehend all of its size let alone its mathmatical and scientifical underpinnings. If there is a god who created all of this and monitors it on a second by second basis (which he must be if he is going to determine who wins at the Final Four at the buzzer, etc. etc.)then his/her mind is so immense that you and I, who's entire planet is less than a grain of sand in the universe, could never pretend to know what god's will is. We have 2000 years more intellegence than the people who wrote that nonsense, but will never have enough brain capacity to EVER understand the mind of god. It would be like saying that my son's pet gecko is getting close to being able to do his physics homework for him. No. He does not have that kind of capacity. It is an incredible waste of intellegence to try to carry forward the childlike understanding and mythology the writers of the Bible used to help them understand and govern their world and use it today. Learn from their mistakes? yes. But continue them? surely not.
Janice-
I do believe meditation to be a valuable tool: Expanding and resinating calm, quiet and peace is very beneficial in settling the mind and opening the heart. . Being thankful is also of value, but actual prayer is quite another thing. Communing with voices or asking for a particular outcome for your request is a waste of time at best and insane in the most severe.
I don't negate the fact that much of the Bible is a historical account of occurance. What is complete farce is-- an unwavering belief in the interpretation of said occurances as written by the Bronze Age mind.
The universe is exponentially vast. It is so large that our small minds cannot even comprehend all of its size let alone its mathmatical and scientifical underpinnings. If there is a god who created all of this and monitors it on a second by second basis (which he must be if he is going to determine who wins at the Final Four at the buzzer, etc. etc.)then his/her mind is so immense that you and I, who's entire planet is less than a grain of sand in the universe, could never pretend to know what god's will is. We have 2000 years more intellegence than the people who wrote that nonsense, but will never have enough brain capacity to EVER understand the mind of god. It would be like saying that my son's pet gecko is getting close to being able to do his physics homework for him. No. He does not have that kind of capacity. It is an incredible waste of intellegence to try to carry forward the childlike understanding and mythology the writers of the Bible used to help them understand and govern their world and use it today. Learn from their mistakes? yes. But continue them? surely not.
The Stillness Before Time
http://www.thestillnessbeforetime.com/
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There is really only one Way.
It is without division or boundary.
It is without name or theology.
Awareness is its scripture,
Here now its venue,
You its witness,
Your life the journey.
That was a very interesting post Josie . . .
Some people claim they communicate with the dead and hear voices, but from what the Bible says, the dead or just dead and cautions “anyone who inquires of the dead.” Deu 18:9-13
People direct their prayers to their God of choice. Although the true God in the past spoke with men on earth, today praying doesn’t entail hearing voices but certainly people do find their prayers answered in various ways. While some worship God by praying, others may worship or show their devotion to their government or state emblem. A publication of Our Flag (Washington, D.C.; 1962) published by the Office of Armed Forces Information and Education, Department of Defense. p.1. states: The star is a symbol of the heavens and the divine goal to which man has aspired from time immemorial; the stripe is symbolic of the rays of light emanating from the sun. Both themes have long been represented on the standards of nations, from the banners of the astral worshippers of ancient Egypt and Babylon to the 12-starred flag of the Spanish Conquistadors under Cortez. Continuing in favor, they spread to the striped standards of Holland and the West India Company in the 17th century and to the present patterns of stars and strips on the flags of several nations of Europe, Asia, and the Americas.”
In essence, I guess it would be hard to escape worship of a religion in some way even if it’s emboldened in the form of a state or object.
The interpretations of the Bible can vary, but the message never changes from beginning to end, ever for our time. That message was concerning a child that would be born eventually from the line of the Israelite, King David, and institute a new government on earth. I compared some ancient writings about this as well as some interpretations in our modern era. The message continues to be the same. Below are some of these I though might be of interest.
“The earth shall continue to be inhabited by mortal [humans] after the day of judgment and that not only for 1000 years, but even forever.” Isaac Newton
“That kingdom of God . . . shall work onwards till it shall become actually a kingdom over this earth, and its subjects shall inherit the earth . . ., finally in its renewed and blessed state for ever.” Henry Alford The New Testament for English Readers
#1) Reference to Papias cited by Eusebius (Papias was a disciple
of the Apostle John and a friend of Polycarp; 60-130 ad); "Among
these things, Papias says that there will be a millennium after the
resurrection from the dead, when the personal reign of Christ will be
established on this earth."
#2) Justin Martyr (c. 160); "There was a certain man with us,
whose name was John, one of the apostles of Christ, who
prophesied by a revelation that was made to him, that those whobelieved in our Christ would dwell a thousand years in Jerusalem."
#7) Irenaeus (c. 180); "The predicted blessing, therefore, belongs
unquestionably to the times of the kingdom, when the righteous will
bear rule, after their rising from the dead. It is also the time when
the creation will bear fruit with an abundance of all kinds of food,
having been renovated and set free. ... And all of the animals will
feed on the vegetation of the earth. They will become peaceful and
harmonious among each other, and they will be in perfect
subjection to man. And these things are borne witness to in the
fourth book of the writings of Papias, the hearer of John, and a
companion of Polycarp."
Isaiah 11:6-9
And the wolf will actually reside for a while with the male lamb, and with the kid the leopard itself will lie down, and the calf and the maned yung lion and the well-fed animal all together; and a mere little boy will be leader over them. And the cow and the bear themselves will feed; together their young ones will lie down. And even the lion will eat straw just like the bull. And the sucking child will certainly play upon the hole of the cobra; and upon the light aperture of a poisonous snake will a weaned child actually put his own hand. They will not do any harm or cause any ruin in all my holy mountain; because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea.
Rev 5:10
“And you made them to be a kingdom and . . . they are to rule as kings over the earth.”
I agree there is no way we can fully understand everything about God or the universe for that matter. We don’t even know everything about the gecko you mentioned. All we can do is imitate its ways to our advantage as well as other animals in nature. I read in a magazine that the gecko’s feet don’t get dirty, never leave a residue, stick to any surface except Teflon, and attach and detach with little effort, and researchers are trying to copy them. Man copies things in nature whether it’s a humming bird, seagull, boxfish, etc. to design better aircraft or more efficient cars. Everything they create is a copy of the original. So the question is: If the copy requires an intelligent designer, what about the original?
Um. . . thank you for the disjointed history lesson . . I guess? Although is has no relevence to my comments and I don't think you heard one point I had to make. I am done corresponding here because I don't think your elevator goes all the way to the top floor. And by the way you can't substansiate the Bible by quoting the Bible. Its like me quoting Harry Potter to prove that the Harry Potter tales are real.
Sorry Josie,
I can quote some seculiar writers concerning Jesus existence if maybe that's what you're looking for:
TACITUS: (55-117) A.D.)
Cornelius Tactitus is regarded as the greatest historian of ancient Rome. Writing on the reign of Nero, Tacitus alludes to the death of Christ and to the existence of Christians in Rome.
““Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of on of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the word find their center and become popular.””
Since we know seculiar history confirms Jesus actually existed as well as the Bible, we conclude (we as those that believe) that the things Jesus said and did are recorded for us in the Bible. Jesus said that he was sent by the true God. Jesus did not mention Harry Potter, nor does seculiar history.
REally? Jesus did not quote Harry Potter? Really? Janis, get some professional help.
No Josie,
I don't see where Jesus mentioned the name Harry Potter. I did find the origin of the name Harry which is of old German origin meaning home ruler. Potter is English. I checked all my references and I don't see the name in any of the Hebrew or Greek in regards to Biblical events or secular records.
Many of the Jews implied Jesus was crazy as well and left from following him. However, I will continue, et al.
I finally had a chance to see Religulous, and I must admit, It most certainly is! I have had Mr. Maher's same feelings since my 4th year in Hebrew school when pressed by the Rabbi, "Do you believe (The middle three letters in believe is..LIE) in G_D and why? The first student asked basically said what he wanted the Rabbi to hear, "G_D is All Knowing, All Powerful and it's my faith passed down from my parents that says there is a G_D." From then on, the next 6 or 7 students said, "Yeah, That's what I believe". Pussy's! All of them! No one had the guts or insight to really say what was the truth. When my turn came, and since I didn't believe the last piece of BS, "I am not sure if I do or do not believe in G_D." (GASP!) I have 5 senses, hearing, touch, taste, smell and sight, and NONE OF THESE allows me to accept or acknowledge that there is a G_D" The Rabbi, a Putz, said "OK, next... and from there on in, the response was that everyone remaining agreed with me.
Bill, I agree with you, I just don't know, I will leave it open that if a hand parts a cloud, and zaps me in the ass with a lightening bolt, yes, I will believe. But to believe just for the sake of believing is total nonsense. And the money that is spent to support these religions is frankly nuts. Just think of what that could mean for mankind.
One final thought, You showed a few clippets of our ex-Pres (thank G_D!...ex) There was G. Bush Jr. saying,"I speak to G_D every day, and he tells me what to do" He should have been investigated right there and then, the man was and is insane.
I'm looking forward to your next Politically Incorrect views, It's time to stop sugar coating and grow a pair.
Regards..
BTW, I truly believe that Religion was a way for the elite to keep the populous in check and in fear. Without some sort of "Supreme Being" looking over everyone's shoulder, everywhere, and constantly, there would be more opposition than there was. Remember, 5000 years ago, Thunder and Lightening was from the G_DS. Tornado's, hurricanes, volcano's, any natural kind of disaster, was a sign that G_D is angry. Well, that was 5000 years ago, now a Supreme Being is just an excuse for being, dumb, lazy, or any other kind of woe is me, it's G_D's reason I am like this, or WOO HOO! I won the Lottery! G_D Loves me! People, it's time to realize the truth.
Hi Bill, Just a thought. When the guy playing Jesus said that the trinity was like water, in that water can be 3 things, ice, steam and water. That's true, but water can't be those 3 things all at one time. So does that mean God doesn't exist when Jesus is around, or, if the the Holy Spirit pops up the other 2 disappear?
Hi Bill, Just a thought. When the guy playing Jesus said that the trinity was like water, in that water can be 3 things, ice, steam and water. That's true, but water can't be those 3 things all at one time. So does that mean God doesn't exist when Jesus is around, or, if the the Holy Spirit pops up the other 2 disappear?
Dear Mr. Maher,
I was lmao with you movie, very smart jokes and stuff, very cool.
...but, one of the things that 'called on my attention' is that most 'Christian' people interviewed are not what we can say... 'biblical scholars', or in a simpler way, 'thinking christians'.
It would be nice for you to talk to some Christian apologists, and hear their arguments well explained. I mean, c'mon ! you can't talk about the veracity of the bible with some nerdie dude talking about comparisons between Star Wars and jesus, while he's visiting 'jerusalem theme park' in Florida! That's nonesense ! (Not that I hate the guy, at all, but maybe he'd be more suitable for the San Diego ComicCon than this)
If you wanna talk to some hardcore, elocuent, thinking Christians, why don't you better go to Seattle? There's a really cool dude there called Mark Driscoll, who might talk to you and even respond some jokes. That would be cool, and perhaps show you that there are Christians who think.
Anyway, hope you can read this post. I laughed a lot about the kosher sci-fi devices.
Have a nice day
I'm glad to see are there are some sane people left in that big country of yours, I knew there was! Great movie, I didn't know about the scientologists nor the mormons, now I almost wish I didn't!
I would like to thank Bill for raising the voice of reason against human ignorance in Riligulous. In my opinion religion is worse than a scam. A scam exploits human greed, but religion exploits human fear, and not just any fear but the biggest of them all - the fear of death.
Fortunately some people tend to grow up and see the world as it is - without the Santa Clause.
The best movie I have ever seen. Even if people don't agree with you, you make valid arguments and you handle the whole thing with humor.
I think people take themselves, and death (and whatever comes after it), too seriously. And while that wasn't really the message of your movie, a lot of the people you interviewed looked like they hadn't laughed in years.
On a serious note- the movie makes you think. And to me, the only people who don't like it are people who either a) don't like you (which is fine, they can have their own opinions) or b) they dont want to question their faith.
Why not question your faith? What are you afraid of?
I'm one of the 16% who don't KNOW. And I'm happy with that :) Thanks!
Dear deviouskitten,
I think (and I could be wrong here) that you are the first to state on this blog that Religulous is the "best movie I have ever seen." My first question deviouskitten, is have you seen the special features on the DVD? During the commentary track with writer Bill Maher and director Larry Charles, the filmmakers have a running gag where they discuss the movie classic "Casablanca" whenever they don't really have anything interesting to say about Religulous. Sure, it's a deliberately modest way for the filmmakers to say that Religulous is not exactly an extraordinary film, but, still, their point is that Religulous was never intended to be a truly serious movie (and, by serious, I don't exclude comedies made by serious people). I would really like to hear arguments from people who think this movie is the "definitive" anti-religion movie, because I am so tired of people praising this movie without substantive comments.
Please tell me deviouskitten, what makes Religulous, the greatest movie of all time? Why is it objectively better than the aforementioned Casablanca, The Godfather, Schindler's List, or even silly comedies like The Holy Grail?
I'm not saying Religulous is a bad movie. I also agree with Maher's "I don't know" opinion. However, when it comes to ranking movies, even Maher would be happy to put Religulous in the top 100 (and I'm being generous). Please do me a favor, deviouskitten, and watch the movies I mentioned and come back and tell me that Religulous is still a contender for "best movie." I say this not to belittle Mahers film, but in an honest attempt to demonstrate that there are some truly amazing films out there, and Religulous is important and funny and entertaining, but not earth shattering or exceptional. Of course, there is no accounting for taste. The main character in Talladega Nights quips that "The" Highlander received an award for the "Best movie ever made." If Will Farrel or his onscreen persona Ricky Bobby wants to chime in then I'll be glad to listen, but, that being said, if anybody thinks that Religulous is better than any of the films I mentioned, then let the debate begin, because I truly want to hear a cogent individual postulating a contrary opinion.
-Mark
"Religulous" is a life changing movie. I was a Catholic for 34 years and now I am free. Thank you so, so much Bill Maher. Wow, I feel like a big sucker. Four years of Catholic High School and all of those Sunday and Saturday masses, waste of time. This would be a better world and country without religion.
Dear Zeichen,
I'm astounded by your post. What specifically in Religulous made you throw away 34 years of Catholicism? Whenever somebody makes a post like this, I ask a similar question, and nobody ever responds. For once, Zeichen, please tell me what is so persuasive about this movie that you would abandon three decades of faith?
BTW, I'm not a Christian. I just think Maher's film is sloppy, inaccurate, and best described as trivial entertainment, albeit pretty damn funny.
Sincerely,
Mark
I'm confused as to the somewhat hypocritical nature of your stance. You make fun of religion and using religion as a basis for nationalisms etc, YET you display the same unquestioning fanatical tone regarding certain aspects. I'm talking about your fanatical defense of the state of Israel and your rude dismissal of that rabbi who was saying that President Ahmadinejad was misquoted yet you wanted to parrot the official media line. If you are such a liberal, open to ideas etc. why didn't you take the time to research that Ahmadinejad REALLY was taken out of context. The full quote is: 'The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time'. Now whether in some other agenda of his, there is a desire to destroy Israel and take over the world, I don't know, but really Mr Maher, you can do better than just 'religiously' 'believe' everything the mainstream media tells you, or is this your 'god'?
A shame, as the rest of your documentary is really well made, even when you really think someone was crazy you tried to be pleasant to them. It's just your attitude to that rabbi that really stood out and made me wonder about how much it really got under your skin to be so brutal. I began to think that you do follow a religion: Zionism.
Thankyou
Mariusz Kowalski
Australia/Poland/Romania
PS. I only wanted this clarified as I have a similar attitude to religion and while watching this, I wanted to know more about where you stood on issues. This thing with the rabbi confused me a bit, as you showed a side that I didn't see elsewhere in the production.
Stefan, that was a very interesting observation. While persons may ridicule religion, in the same breath idolize rulers, states, governments or emblems thereof. These representations are just another form of faith or worship masquerading as nationalism or patriotism.
On a similar posting concerning faith, faith can be categorized in several ways. Those not solid in faith at a moment of testing whether moderate or severe can become easily shaken. Even those disciples that immediately followed Jesus at times displayed lack of faith. Those regarded as blindly following a particular faith, accept what they are conditioned to believe.
One man when undergoing trial was told by Jesus to have faith. The man declared ‘I have faith. Help me out where I need faith.’ A constant request also of Jesus’ disciples was “Give us more faith,”again showing faith is not static, but needs to be continuously cultivated and grown, exercised and labored at intensively. (Luke 17:5) Faith is not blind faith as many consider it to be but based on concrete evidence. The visible creative works testify to the existence of an invisible Creator. (Rom.1:20) This fact would lead us back to the recent study of how children minus any other competing knowledge would reason any animal or object was made or designed for a purpose. The same is true of an adult upon seeing an object whether it’s a house, car, computer, amusement park, would conclude it was designed for a purpose whether for need or enjoyment. Which should lead us to reason everything in life has a meaning or designed for a particular purpose.
Persons may reject the craziness of religion(s) such as myself but they are reluctant to reject God entirely or the idea of God. Their God-given conscience will not allow them to do that. By rejecting God entirely they would thereby embrace the spirit and faith destroying philosophies of the world in opposition to God which God also rejects.
The fruits of the Godless can be seen in people’s disposition, attitude, figures and tone of speech generally showing “fits of anger” (Gal 5:19-23) Anger can also be the fruitage displayed by those Jesus said would result from an enemy planting weeds among his wheat resulting in false prophets and disciples. Read Matthew 8:24-30 and Luke 8:4-15.
On the other hand, the fruitage of God’s spirit, is love, joy peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. A person rejecting God would not want to lose such qualities we should all strive to possess.
religulous is the best movie I have ever seen.Please dont stop Bill Maher your like (OB one) your our only hope! Because no body else with money has the balls or the brains!
religulous is the best movie I have ever seen.Please dont stop Bill Maher your like (OB one) your our only hope! Because no body else with money has the balls or the brains!
Everyone that owns or rents this movie needs to check out time frame of 26:33. Look where the pastor is looking. The "ex-gay" pastor is indeed checking out Bill's ass.It kind of proves his whole point of the absurdity of religion. Has anyone else noticed this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgBZEk6hg9Y&feature=channel_page
Skunk I watched your link on utube. There were really some good points on the false characterizations of other gods which needed to be brought out. I don’t feel however, we should just dismiss the similarities of these myths or legends or how they relate to Jewish or Christian chronicles. Similar myths or stories including a virgin birth were circulated among people centuries before Jesus was born. One point that can be made is that the first man and woman along with another creature was told a special child would be born in the future. The child would be born to a woman and crush the rebellion that was initiated from the founding of the world and restore peace through a new government. Throughout centuries prior to the actual event occurring, there was plenty of room for the world to be populated with lies distracting from the true outcome.
I agree, our faith should not be shaken at all but comparing theses stories of gods, floods or other events in history with known facts and historical records should help us to decipher the truth from the lies and focus on what actually did occur.
One thing the clip failed to bring out and perhaps Maher as well as many Christians do not realize is that the 10 commandments was only the first part of the law which included about 613 other laws including laws on rape, incest, adultery, stealing, etc. (1) These laws were given to the Israelites only for that time. “He is telling his word to Jacob, his regulations and his judicial decision to Israel. He has not done that way to any other nation.” Ps 147:19, 20 (2) The laws served as a tutor to lead the Israelites to faith in Christ. “Consequently the Law has become our tutor leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith. But now that the faith has arrived, we are no longer under a tutor.” (Gal 3:24, 25) (3) No one could not keep the laws perfectly and therefore anyone that could not keep the law perfectly was deserving of death. Jesus was able to fulfill the requirements of the law and therefore a savior from the burden of the law. (4) The law covenant was broken many times. The Israelites also placed themselves and their children under a curse if they failed to make efforts to abide by it. “To the law of the [true] God, their wives, their sons and their daughters, everyone having knowledge [and] understanding, they were adhering to their brothers, their majestic ones, and coming into [liability to] a curse and into an oath, to walk in the law of the [true] God, which had been given by the hand of Moses the servant of the [true] God, and to keep and to perform all the commandments of Jehovah our Lord and his judicial decisions and his regulations;” Neh 10:28, 29
Although we keep many of the principles, no people are strictly under Mosaic Law today, “For the entire Law stands fulfilled in one saying, namely: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’”
I did not agree with the opinion that Jesus is God, but I agree with your assessment that jealousy can be defined in different ways such as a fear of losing someone or a special possession. Jealousy is a characteristic of God and humans were made with those same qualities. God also did not create an imperfect world for man to live in nor the void many people feel in their lives. Just as Maher states if he was God he would have created people without the hole [in life] to begin with.’ The hole or estrangement of man from his Creator is rightly attributed to man himself, having passed on this condition or imperfection to his children. Also, God’s purpose has never been for people to die or kill themselves to come be with him but to carry out his purpose in telling others about his kingdom and the great future and prospects for the earth.
On to some other issues lately . . . I’ve been reading over several interesting news reports the last few days . . . Several religious persons were fired for not providing counseling or other services such as photography, pharmaceuticals, etc. and churches/organizations were sued and forced to give up property tax exemptions.
Also, just wondering if anyone saw the Oprah show the other day. One man had cut off the top of his finger and poured some type of animal cells or powder over it and regenerated his finger including fingernail. Amazing! Also shown was an oxygen chamber and a university cultivating body parts like heart values, etc. They could took animal hearts, livers and affixing human cells generated organs compatible with your own. Amazing stuff!
In other news . . . stimulus money is going to build Microsoft a bridge and Cuba is cracking; one of my previous predictions. I’m anxious to see how other dictatorships more or less fair including Iran, Saudia, China and Korea. Lack of freedom or religious freedom is effectuating their demise. Also in the news, nations like Russia and China are more likely pressing Obama for a new global currency . . . Some of these predictions of late seem to be coming true.
Back to our subject of religion . . . a question was posed about women covering themselves in Islam. Taking a short look at the Hebrews, they apparently placed little emphasis on a covering for the head as a regularly worn article of clothing. When necessary the common people may at times used the mantle or the robe for this purpose. Ornamental headdress, however, was often worn by men in official positions and by both men and women on festive or special occasions. The priest of Israel had their prescribed form of headgear.-Ex. 28:4, 39,40 A headdress would also signify a condition of mourning and women also showed modesty in this way.
In the Christian congregation, there were meetings when women could pray or prophesy provided they wore a head covering. The counsel of the apostle Paul to the congregation at ancient Corinth is better understood when we realize that it was the general custom then for women always to be veiled in public. Only those of loose morals went unveiled. And the pagan priestesses at the temples evidently followed the practice of removing their veils and letting their hair hang disheveled when claiming to be under divine inspiration. Such a practice in the Christian congregation would be disgraceful.
In Islam covering of women is mandatory in some lands whereas in more democratic societies it is not. The reason may be some countries take a more radical interpretation of the Quran or Hadiths. Hadiths are writings of followers of Mohammad or followers of followers of Mohammad which contain a collection of traditions attributed to Muhammad that include his sayings, acts, and approval or disapproval of things.
Hadiths are labeled authentic or unauthentic. Some Muslims do not accept any of the Hadiths and view themselves as Quran only Muslims. Others accept only hadiths regarded as authentic or accepted by reputable scholars or clerics. However, scholars don’t always agree. Whether or not a person relies on a certain law or hadith would depend on the country they live in or the hierarchy. Most Islamic laws are based on the hadiths which are either authentic or unauthentic.
“There is no clear-cut authentic hadith to the effect of making the face veil obligatory. Those scholars, who insist that covering the face is obligatory for Muslim women, interpret 'al-idnaa' in the verse of the jilbaab (Al-Qur'an: 33:59) to mean, "covering the face". This interpretation is erroneous because the basic meaning of the word in Arabic is "to come close", as the well-known scholar, ar-Raaghib al-Asbahaanee mentions in his authoritative dictionary 'al-Mufradaat'. Some people claim that jilbaab is "a garment which covers the face". This too is a misinterpretation as it is contrary to the interpretation of the leading scholars of past and present as well, who define jilbaab as a garment which women drape over their head scarves (khimaar).
“Thus, it can be concluded that covering the face is not obligatory for women. However, covering the face was obligatory for the Ummul Mu'mineen, the wives of the Prophet (pbuh) as was Tahajjud obligatory for the Prophet (pbuh). Although Muslims are exempted from its obligation, it is still a highly recommended Sunnah for the Muslims. The scholars unanimously agree that it is preferable for Muslim women to cover their faces. Thus it is not compulsory for Muslim Women to cover their faces but those women who cover their faces may continue to do so if they wish.”
http://www.irf.net/irf/dtp/dawah_tech/ques17.htm
The nine books of Hadiths listed on the Saudi Government website have a disclaimer warning they are not responsible for the information contained in them. Most Muslims have not read the complete books or volumes of Hadiths. Among the hadiths are miracles performed by Muhammad that are not mentioned anywhere in the Quran. The Quran itself is said to be a mathematical miracle resulting in multiples verses of 19, a holy number. Some Muslim scholars have proclaimed however, that unless 2 false verses were added to the Quran, it would not be a perfect multiple of 19. Being that Muslims derived a way of speaking poetically, I wonder if speaking in multiples of 19 was simply a way of memorization since paper was unknown to the Arabs at that time and not so much a miracle.
http://www.submission.org/SP/FEB97.html
“Now we learn that the missing Basmalah is one of the signs from the Most Gracious, Most Merciful that Sura 9 has been tampered with. More specifically, two false verses were added to the end of Sura 9 after the last verse 127. There is absolutely no doubt that verses 9:128 and 9:129 do not belong to the Quran. The evidence for these verses being false and added to the Quran after Muhammad’’s death is overwhelming.”
The Satanic Verses were [hadiths] once thought to be authentic but considered unauthentic by Muslims and scholars today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Verses
Notwithstanding as well are variances in the Quran, one in which Ibliss/Satan refuses to bow down to Adam. In 3 different chapters and verses Ibliss answers differently and in one account he asks why he should bow to Adam which is a question. Conversations with several Muslims led them to admit no one will probably ever know the true answer. One explanation given was that God was speaking to Ibliss in a different language so he could understand.
It’s hard to understand all the finger pointing given the Bible when the Quran has the same type of variances. What is surprising is the uproar of Muslims over cartoons or persons simply naming a teddy bear Muhammad. If they had read their own books would surely find sayings much more outlandish about Muhammad and his followers.
Other hadiths report Muhammad having married his adopted son’s wife, adoption at some point became illegal and hence fosterage took place. I’m not sure of all the particulars but fosterage for a child took place by suckling, except this child had a beard. On the USC website for Islamic Studies the word ‘beard’ was changed to ‘heard’. The meaning was obvious and why many hadiths are not translated into English. Muhammad’s wife, Aiesha, thought she could suckle any man that entered her home.
Hadith Malik 2641:
“Sahla daughter of Suhail and the wife of Abu Huthaifa came to the prophet and said, ““O prophet we used to see Salim enter our house often and I think my husband is getting jealouse, so what do you see I should do? He said to her ““breast feed him five times and you milk will make it lawful for him to enter to you. So Aisha muhammed’’s wife the mother of the believers took it as a rule to do the same for any man she desired to enter he company. But the other wives declined to do the same for any man whom they desired to enter to them saying this was only given permission to Sahla daughter of Suhail.”
I can’t say I’ve openly laughed at anything in the Bible except David before he became king while residing as an alien resident of a city, pretended he was crazy slobbering at the mouth so the people would not perceive him to be a threat. (lol) That said, my Muslim cohorts have provided me with quite a bit of amusement.
Hey Bill..loved loved your film ..i was wondering have you seen; http://houseofnumbers.com/ ?
I thik you did a good job with exposing people to some elements of religion and pointing out some silliness therein.
I think you made a mistake by presenting the idea that what you were showing proves the point of your narrative at the end. You did exactly what you speak against by saying that your view is correct.
You revealed information to show some problems in religion itself but you did not present your own actual argument.
I think if you are spreading doubt then it must be spread in all directions your lap and others. You do not seem to doubt your own conclusions, therefor you are believing in something. You are believing your belief.
But Bill, I do not mean to leave a note only with criticism. I laughed throughout the movie. I enjoyed how you met with the mouths of relgion and not the minds. This made for an enjoyable watch.
Your mother was darling. And you come across as a sweet man yourself. I know you poured your efforts into this film and I congratulate you for producing a quality work. I deeply enjoyed it and found it very entertaining. Thanks bub.
Always love,
Joshua Miller
I know I am a little late getting on this boat, but I just got done seeing the movie on DVD (a little change for your pocket) and I needed a place for some open dialogue. I'm not sure that is what I'm getting with a blog comment, but I wouldn't be able to sleep without getting this off my chest.
First, I thought the movie was hilarious and spot on. I agree that organized religion has a way of keeping people down, keeping society from advancing (Religion is the opiate of the masses - Karl Marx) but I also think that there is some value in faith. Intelligent, rational people believe in themselves. They have faith in themselves, that they can get through hard times. People who maybe aren't as intelligent, rational, or self-assured might need something outside of themselves to believe in to help them get through difficult times. I know I have occasionally found myself asking God for help through tough times, even though I don't really believe in God. It is just a way of reassuring myself that everything is going to be alright. I guess God, to those who believe, is like an intergalactic Mommy and Daddy who comforts them in times of need. Unfortunately, God is also an excuse for crazy people to do some dumb shit.
I was raised Jewish, but I am more agnostic now that I far, far past Bar Mitzvah age. I have been to Israel and seen all of the crazy shit going on over there, which leads me to my second point. Like I said, to those who believe, God is like an intergalactic Mommy and Daddy. And what would Mommy and Daddy do when the kids can't stop fighting over a toy? They take the toy away and no one gets to play with it. Maybe that is what should be done with the old city of Jerusalem. Wall it off and don't let anybody in. If you can't share, nobody gets to play with it. Maybe that would stop the fighting. Probably not, it's been going on forever it seems, but maybe that would be a good start. If it weren't religious intolerance, it would be intolerance of another kind. It seems like that is just part of human nature.
Anyway, those were my two cents. I'm sure nobody is reading this, but if they are, enjoy!
Hi Ed
I read your comment and things are a little played out here. People do seem to chew at each other but that gets old too.
I’m Christian but not mainstream; more of a Christian separatist. I’m not sure how much you believe in Jesus words or if you’ve read the entire Bible Hebrew or Greek scriptures. I find that most people including the clergy have not but will take certain parts or what they’ve heard and all of a sudden self-made experts.
Religion has not made the world a better place that’s for sure but like you said, human nature will always be the root cause of any problem in the world. Religion is just a tool or vehicle. Similar to the event in Genesis, it was not really the serpent that caused the woman or the man for that matter too turn away from the true God but their own wrong desire. The woman’s desire made it easy for her to believe a lie. The man was not mislead by the serpent but when given the opportunity immediately began eating. Maybe they both gave in to this desire to do wrong or human nature.
Jesus said every tree that does not produce good fruit would be cut down. Meaning, those governments and/or religions that did not produce good effects would be destroyed. I don’t have time to locate this verse now but in Psalms it also says even when God does effect peace for the earth, people will not want it and continue to do wrong. So the problem would still be human nature.
Anyway, I enjoyed your two cents . . . I hope you enjoyed mines. (smile)
just watched the movie... and the end of it just hit me:
"rational people must get out of the closet and assert themselves"
"religious has to end for us to continue"
is Bill Maher giving us atheists a call to arms?
is'nt it an oxymoron to ask rational people to join the irrational activity of fighting in the name of a world vie?w?!
FYI - i don't see why any atheist would have a problem with the first genetic human being seduced by "the snake" (common metaphor) to eat from the "fruit" (result) of knowledge (biblical use of the term "know"), gave it to her boyfriend and suddenly they became aware of each other's nudity...
on the other hand: the women getting "the fruit" before the man on their first time? yea, that's sort of suspicious.
on a related note, a potentially complimentary video to religulous by richard's dawkin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxGMqKCcN6A
i am curious if bill maher would relate to it, and with such similar political opinions i wonder howcome i never saw dawkin's on bill's show.
I love your movie Bill!! thanks from Spain!
Someone sent me this on utube I thought was interesting. It's a Lou Dobbs clipp from CNN and makes mention of the new North America Union.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjeJnjUGnIA&feature=related
Some time ago out-there tv guests spoke of this new union where living in Canada, Mexico or the USA would be the same as living in either country. I just find it astonishing their predictions seem to be hitting main stream news, cnn and fox as well.
I'm still working on my review of the movie so excuse me for a while.
Grew up Christian. Not religious, but spiritual. Loved your movie. Had a profound near death experience four years ago that I believe gave me the real insight to what happens after this mortal coil. It was amazing. I remember nothing but pure love and peace. There was no fear or sorrow. When I had awaken back in my body I was pissed. This experience goes beyond religion and religious beliefs. That experience made me realize how religion especially Christian has been so maligned and manipulated. There's no truth whatsoever in it. And I grew up Christian. I will say that there is a God and it was complete love. I can't even describe in words what I had been through. It reassured me that we shouldn't fear death. Trust me it's better on the other side by far.
Loved the movie. But I do believe in life after death. Had a near death experience that has proven to me that we do move on.
This comes from a guy who was born in a muslim family,far from an american land,a land torn between hindus & muslims.I can say that i 'ven't met a single person who didn't have the same doubts as I about god
What intrigues me that if god is all that powerful & absolute,how can i think independently & then be responsible for sins i commit.Is he not powerful enough to control my thoughts??This is a doubt i 've seen in everyone.People 'll refute it but i know its there and why do i say that because im not god but a human i know how a human thinks.
It therefore makes me think that notion of sins & sorrow are created by religions to exploit our emotional instability towards fear.Thats how a below average IQ man got elected to being a US President twice,a land that attracts the most brilliant of all minds.We 're infact enslaved by a savage animal called religion that was born out of ignorance & lives upon our fear,the more we 've it the more beastly the animal becomes.
Doubt is a manly virtue not shared by God. And sadly we fear our doubts rather than relishing them.Bravo Billl!
I used to be just an ordinary atheist. Now I've got to wondering, is there any historical evidence (outside the New Testament of course), that the man known as Jesus actually existed? No one, it seems, noticed him enough while he supposed to be alive to mention it.
...I'm afraid there is historical evidence putside the (historical) New Testament.
There's Flavius Josephus: 1st century Jewish historian and Juadism apologist(mid-late 1st century); Tacitus, Roman senator and historian (late 1st century); Pliny the Younger, Roman lawyer and philosopher (late 1st century)... these people and some more give historical evidence of Jesus of Nazareth.
If I can try to shed some light on an earlier comment. It would be only natural to have doubts about something or someone you can't physically see. God revealed himself to man in the past through angelic representatives, [spirit forces] and also by means of Jesus. However, God has for the majority of time, allowed man to rule himself without interference since those ancient times.
God created man in his image as a ruler and as part of his intelligent creation with the ability to think and act according to his own desire. While only God is absolutely perfect, man was created in relative perfection according to the purpose in which God created him. The man did not operate by instinct such as the animal creation. The man was not a robot, but had the ability to make his own decisions and choices apart from his Creator and was not controlled by him.
Sin can be defined as meaning "to miss," in the sense of missing or not reaching a goal, way, mark or right point. Man failed to live up to spiritual perfection instead choosing to follow a wrong desire. Just as imperfect persons can choose to do right despite their imperfections, the first man although being physical perfect with the ability to live forever, was not exempt from being able to choose a wrong course of conduct without any mistake as to his decision. Thus his decision was to rebel against God righteous standards.
Below are a few ancient secular records concerning the existence of Jesus although they are not the only ones:
Cornelius Tacitus was a Roman historian and governor of Asia [Turkey] in A.D. 112. He was a personal friend of the historian Pliny the Younger. In his Annals, written after AD 64, he referred to Emperor Nero's persecution of the Christians.
Caius Suetonius was the official historian of Rome during the reign of both Emperor Trajan and Adrian. He was also a friend of Pliny the Younger, and was referred to in several of Pliny's letters. Suetonius wrote a book on the Lives of the First Twelve Caesars. In the section on the Emperor Claudius (who ruled from AD 41 to 54) Suetonius referred to the Christians causing disturbances in Rome which led to their being banished from the city. Suetonius wrote about Claudius: "He banished the Jews from Rome, who were continually making disturbances, Chrestus being their leader."
Caius Plinius Secundus, known as Pliny the Younger, was born near Milan, Italy in A.D. 62. The historian Pliny, a close friend of Tacitus, served as a consul during the reign of emperor Trajan and was later appointed governor of the Roman provinces of Pontus and Bithynia [Turkey] in the period A.D. 101 to 110. He wrote to the emperor to request specific instructions about the interrogation of the Christians whom he was persecuting. In his Epistles X 96, he states that these Christian believers would not worship Emperor Trajan and would not curse their leader, Jesus Christ, even under extreme torture.
Perhaps the most remarkable reference to Jesus outside the Bible can be found in the writings of Josephus, a first century Jewish historian. On two occasions, in his Jewish Antiquities, he mentions Jesus. The second, less revealing, reference describes the condemnation of one "James" by the Jewish Sanhedrin. This James, says Josephus, was "the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ."F.F. Bruce points out how this agrees with Paul's description of James in Galatians 1:19 as "the Lord's brother." And Edwin Yamauchi informs us that "few scholars have questioned" that Josephus actually penned this passage.
Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud
There are only a few clear references to Jesus in the Babylonian Talmud, a collection of Jewish rabbinical writings compiled between approximately A.D. 70-500. Given this time frame, it is naturally supposed that earlier references to Jesus are more likely to be historically reliable than later ones. In the case of the Talmud, the earliest period of compilation occurred between A.D. 70-200. The most significant reference to Jesus from this period states:
On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald . . . cried, "He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy."
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Thank you for making this film. I am a writer who was indoctrinated into the Jewish faith for 16 years. Everyday, I was told I was going to hell for wanting to live a normal and happy life and every week I went to synagogue and learned how to fear- not how to love. I was told to believe that everyone else was evil. When I was 17, I knew that this couldn't be the way to live life. Finally, I left my family and realized that if I believed more in myself and less in something I couldn't see, life would be a hell of a lot better.
I tried to show this film to my parents and they outright rejected it. Shame, really.
Thank you, Bill for making this film. It says what I've been trying to tell others for years.
Thank you for making this film. I am a writer who was indoctrinated into the Jewish faith for 16 years. Everyday, I was told I was going to hell for wanting to live a normal and happy life and every week I went to synagogue and learned how to fear- not how to love. I was told to believe that everyone else was evil. When I was 17, I knew that this couldn't be the way to live life. Finally, I left my family and realized that if I believed more in myself and less in something I couldn't see, life would be a hell of a lot better.
I tried to show this film to my parents and they outright rejected it. Shame, really.
Thank you, Bill for making this film. It says what I've been trying to tell others for years.
I saw the movie and I thought it was garbage. The funny thing is the very same things that you do (trying to convert people into your faith), you knock other religious believers for it. You made a mockery of the Christian faith, but you looks down on Muslims for killing where as murder is a sin according to The Holy Bible(Whose side are you on??.It honestly was the worst movie I HAVE EVER SEEN.
I must say though that you choose your interviewees wisely because they allowed you to run over them except the rabbi(i loved him). The mocking was not called for at all and the clips from scarface and other movies were so childish. I must say that you did a good job using Revelation after you stated that those who wrote the HOLY BIBLE and I quote "fucked up". You constantly contradicted yourself, and you looked silly.
But here is a scripture I like for you; Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is DEATH, but the gift of GOD is eternal life through JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. Overall i was not very impressed with the movie but I do like how you did the guy that said he is the Jesus Christ.(Rolling on the floor laughing) He could not be serious.
Let me ask you
How could it be that God created man when
1. Jesus was born 2000 years ago in Israel but we all are to believe that GOD created the heavens and the earth, which was 600 billion years ago and therefore man and woman.
And the first humans evolved 100,000 years ago.
2. If Jesus was born in Israel, then he would have been a jew, meaning the holy father would have to been jewish as well.
Which was the supposed religion in that region.
But then Jesus decided to change the beliefs of the religion and create his own, which defied GOD's commandment thou shalt not idol anything other than him.
What was the first religion?
As a practical matter early hominids probably tried to explain the unexplainable by imagining invisible oogly booglies (or ascribing special powers to visible objects) and attempted to placate them with rituals and sacrifices.
Archaeological digs indicate rituals (like burials) by Neanderthals that may have had a religious component.
Evidence of ritual behavior in Africa has been found as far back as 70,000 years.
Cave paintings that go back 20 to 50 thousand years look very much like some sort of attempt to manipulate supernatural forces.
But the first recorded religion was 6000 years ago in Mesopotamia.
The first religion involved the Mother Earth Goddess or the Venus Figurines, associated with prehistoric cultures.
People started writing about 5500 years ago or 3500 BC.
The Mesopotamians & Ancient Egyptians were the first known to have written.
Interesting how that is now IRAQ
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Hi Dude,
I can only speak from a Biblical perspective. To answer your first question, the Bible says in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Man was not created in the beginning.
We do recognize that the earth and the heavens (universe) existed long before man according to science. The Bible says that the animal creation and man were created during the 6th creative day. We do not know how long these days were but understand them to be longer than what we consider to be a 24 hour period. We also know according to the Biblical account that man was created last and perhaps during the latter part of that 6th day for he was told to ‘have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth’. (Gen 1:26, 27) The 7th day is not spoken of as ending like the first 6 days. So therefore, we are still residing in the 7th day perhaps for millenniums to come.
Whatever the case, as Christians we have a problem with the concept of man evolving from lower forms of life such as apelike creatures. An atheist 2 days ago sent me a link concerning transition fossils, which it still seems over my head a bit or complete and utter nonsense; just as the atheist may convey the same thought concerning our idea of God and peculiar incidents mentioned in the Bible.
I'm also still reading a lot about the methods used for carbon dating and argon dating depending on who you want to believe something's afoot or at least more questions need to be answered. A recent link someone sent to me I'm still trying to decipher is: http://www.grisda.org/origins/51006.htm Maybe you can tell me what you think.
Concerning your second question, Jesus was born from Jewish parents but he was also a descendant of other races of people as well. Jacob and Rebecca were Syrian people. David was married to an Egyptian woman and Moses was possibly married to a Black or interracial woman. For a person to be accepted by God they had to put faith in Jesus or have the faith of Abraham. Although the first chosen members of the Christian congregation were only Jews, the Bible goes on to mention others were chosen from among the nations as the true seed of Abraham. This occurred when Peter first went to the Roman army officer, Cornelius and his family and they were accepted into the congregation indicating God’s approval of Gentiles as well. The leaders and older men of the Christian congregation did not have to be fleshly Jews for all were adopted as true sons of Abraham and the Israel of God, a spiritual nation. As a special note: Once a soldier became a Christian he left service to the Roman Emperor.
Jesus did not create his own religion. He clearly held fast worship of the One True Almighty God and prayed to him only. The Mosaic Law Code were laws prescribed for the ancient nation of Israel at that time which laws were set aside. We still follow the moral code or principles of that Law Code. If there is a question about what those laws encompass, they are all restated in the New Testament such as the law against thieves, murderers, fornicators, idolaters, greedy persons, extortioners, etc. These persons will not inherit God’s kingdom or everlasting life during Christ’s rule over earth.
You are correct. The first religion started in ancient Babel or Babylon near Iraq. It was a most religious place. The god Marduk is called Merodach in the Bible, and various authorities identify Nimrod with the god Marduk. The Bible records the city got its start after the flood. The leader, Nimrod, built what would be considered a religious tower in opposition and in defiance of the true God. The motive of Nimrod and the people was to build the tower to reach into the heavens in order to make a celebrated name for themselves.
In Antiquities of the Jews, Book I, chap. IV, pars. 2, 3, the Jewish historian, Josephus wrote: “[Nimrod] gradually changed the government into tyranny,-seeing no other way of turning men from the fear of God, but to bring them into a constant dependence upon his power. He also said he would be revenged on God, if he should have a mind to drown the world again; for that he would build a tower too high for the waters to be able to reach! . . . Now the multitude were very ready to follow the determination of Nimrod, and to esteem it a piece of cowardice to submit to God; and they built a tower.”
God confused their languages for in their defiance they failed to spread out over the earth as was God’s purpose for humans to fill the earth. In the confusion, they carried their religious beliefs including stories of a deluge to distant parts of the earth. Babylon eventually came under the control of Semitic rule. Some of their practices involved worship of triads of gods which found its way into Christian doctrine as well as immortality of the human soul, the god Nergal, god of the underworld, the “land of no return,” etc.
Bill, just watched the movie! are yu still alive, Bill? If, so, youre Satan Bill, you are the true Antichrist! Nobody can survive such movie without being Satan!
Especially authentic: the closing scenes!
Oh my god, I am coming!
I saw your movie and as amazing and eye opening as it was, i thought u only filmed the absolute dumb ones. Cuz i personaly know some christians or muslims or jews that are the most kind hearted people i've ever seen and all they do is help others and are quite generous all because of their faith. So i guess majority use religion to do whatever the fuck they want and a few try to make peace with it
Well…I just saw your movie called Religulous, and I had mixed feelings about it. Like you, I consider myself an agnostic, but unlike you I don’t hold to the banal cynicism of our moment (of academics and pseudo-intellectuals). Please don’t take this as an insult…I am merely commenting that it seems most people within a certain social standing or cultural demographic feel it necessary to pretend a ‘devoutly educated’ appearance, which normally means holding an empirically inspired pessimistic viewpoint on all things theistic. This being said, I obviously don’t know if your position is absolutely sincere (as I presume it to be), or merely feigned because of the social circles you no doubt circulate in.
One of the few things I disagree with you on is that theism is necessarily a violent and evil practice; I do believe it can be this (and often comes to this in a more charged atmosphere), but so is any flag that a person can reside under to feel a part of something bigger (e.g., nationalism, organized crime). It is true that many people who join themselves with a doctrine (as Friedrich Nietzsche might call the ‘rabble’) can find themselves thoughtlessly conforming to a dogma that can potentially lead one compulsorily into highly atrocious situations…but this is the case with any person who is on the lower section of the IQ bell curve (and also those who have no conscience). The truth is that if a person like this didn’t have religion, they would probably be out setting fire to houses, or robbing old grannies. I guess it is up to our law enforcement to decide which one it holds in worse esteem: psychotic utterances in unison, or massive felonies on a grand scale. It is also my belief that many people who go to church are what you would call somewhat normal people: individuals who live a more or less peaceful life and who are just looking for a group of people to hang out with at the end of the week (a group of friends to fit in with). In other words, for many people the churchgoing ceremony is mostly a social event, because the large majority of people in the more rural places in our country have no other outlet to satisfy these social needs. For this reason, I think it is also important for psychologists and sociologists to decide which is better: having people gather together in order to participate in a highly irrational doctrine, or having a lot of sociopaths running around all over the place planning disorderly events to gain the attention of people at random.
I must also add that in order to have an intelligent debate regarding religion in this decade, one has to read at least a summary of a few notable continental philosophers who have spoken frequently about the role of mysticism in our modern world. I find particularly important those schools of thought that follow: existentialism, phenomenology, post-structuralism, humanism (or renowned thinkers such as Carl Jaspers, Bertrand Russell, William James, Henri Bergson, Rene Girard, Sartre, Freud, Kierkegaard, Einstein, Nietzsche, Wittgenstein, Derrida, Foucault, Jung). I must add that some of these people are theists, so it might give you an idea of how an intelligent person might argue his/her point of view from the standpoint of faith. I guess what I am trying to say is that there is extremism and fanaticism on each side of the fence (such as the Bolsheviks, many of who believed all Christians and Jews should be gathered together and massacred; and the Muslims, who often assert that infidels should be cleansed from the earth).
I might also remind you that religion isn’t the only institution/doctrine which is responsible for gruesome atrocities; science has also had its questionable moments (e.g., Social Darwinism in WWII, human guinea pigs in CIA experiments, the atomic bomb, etc.). It is true that the history of empiricism and the scientific method is not very long, but I am sure once it becomes a bit older (since it has only been around for a few centuries) it will probably have a considerable list of atrocities to answer for as well. It is humanity’s nature to push the bill when it sees the opportunity to lay claim to something pragmatic, valuable, or prestigious; very few things can stop this sort of avarice when it is running full force. In this manner, science can be just as fanatical as religion if it is not kept well within its own boundaries. On this same note, I remember Mahatma Gandhi saying something about this in one of his memoirs, about how science is the new religion, though it remains blind to this fact and of its own weaknesses. Well…whether you like Gandhi or not, I think he was a good man, and a symbol of where religious attitudes must go if theism hopes to survive the next ice age; putting a stress on world peace rather than endless striving and retaliation one against the other theistic viewpoint.
This brings up another thought. Do you think that if religion didn’t exist that mankind would stop with its warmongering? Do you think that humanity’s belief is the problem, or is it his peevish temperament? Do you think violence was born on this globe walking hand in hand with monotheism, or did bloodshed predate the religious attitude of man? I don’t think men ever really need a reason (such a religion) to cut one another to bits, for I imagine that if it weren’t for the Muslim creed, the middle-easterners would probably still want to wipe us off the face of the earth (either for monopolizing the resources in its land, living like kings while most of Islam still appears to live in the dark ages, or just for looking funny). I believe the most important thing to do is to teach religious tolerance, because it should be very clear to us that an inertia resides in the breast of most men in the world, a hesitancy to change from ancient tradition despite the fact that much of it might appear to perpetuate the desperate evils that we all fear.
And also…whether you want to admit it or not, monotheistic religious doctrine was a crucial step in the evolution of mankind’s understanding of the world…though I agree with you that its day has come to an end (as it should have been for awhile now), its descriptive/philosophical backdrop does still have something to teach us about our own history, though perhaps only through an abstract armature of classical poetics and mimetic passion. I also might add that it is reasonable to assume that science is also merely a step in our society’s evolution, and that someday it is likely that the empiricism of our day will go through the same dire straits that religion is presently in. In that day, the ‘strawman fallacy’ of the moment will not be a man such as Voltaire finding all of the most stupid religious fanatics he can find to make himself look bright, but some trendy figure of that moment finding the most old-fashioned scientist of his day to poke fun at.
Oh…and as a somewhat humorous sidenote, when I watched your documentary, I decided to name a new logical fallacy after a few of the arguments I saw you make against politicians…and though it isn’t a formalistic fallacy as I imagine they might be printed in many text books, I still think it comes to bear; I called it ‘Argumentum Iconographum’ which consists of attacking a myth presiding deep within someone’s own traditional character, rather than arguing against his personal temperment (or conduct). It is sort of the reciprocal of the fallacy called ‘Argumentum ad Hominem’; only, in this instance, the flawed attack focuses not on the person, but on some religious creed/figure as a mentor. Again, please don’t take this personally…I did get some enjoyment out of watching the documentary and you made a lot of really good points, though I had to sift through a substantial number of ungainly clichés of western thought in the process. Seriously, it is like most people in this hemisphere are not aware that existentialism, phenomenology and post-structuralism ever occurred. I guess our American philosophy departments are doing a good job of keeping this dangerous and frightening doctrine out of the hands of our mentally fragile citizens.
Well, I guess the last thing I will say is that, even though you may insist otherwise, rationality is not the thoroughgoing answer to every conundrum mankind has ever come across, though I must admit it is a very useful tool most of the time. Even present day science seems to be putting this rubric into question with some of the new theories forwarded by quantum mechanics (such as ‘observer effect’ and the ‘uncertainty principle’) and also according to those newer psychological schools of humanism and phenomenology. In other words, once a theory is forced to migrate beyond the fundamental laws of causality in an attempt to test the primary structure of any standardized experimental procedure (technology as it sometimes allows us to look just beyond the barrier of its methodology), the previously held consensus immediately comes into question (because the foundation must needs change when it is seen underneath). That being said, the logical fundamentalism of our day is likely not to loose its functionality very soon, for it is too comfortable a shoe to take off so soon.
P.S. - I would be careful about that comment you made at the end of the movie "grow up or die". People might take it seriously. Although, if you weren't being completely sarcastic while saying that, how would you plan such an act of mass infanticide? (the infant as an allegory for those not yet grown up) If global violence qua religion is what you are speaking out against, then it seems hardly reasonable to substitute one form of atrocity for another. Enough said.
I often see atheists using the argument of ‘self-fulfilling prophecy’ to contradict or refute the common belief that mystical statements have power to predict coming events. The truth is that their argument concerning this convention is more or less correct, but it is also plain to me that they then result in deriving clumsy deductions from this assumption…during the moment that the ‘self-fulfilling prophecy’ attribute of a mystical utterance becomes evident, then automatically its truth value, logical consistency and implied causality appear completely flawed.
This is not necessarily so. Let me now use an argument according to the strictures of the ‘predestination paradox’ to demonstrate the possibility of yet another rational explanation to this eventuality. What is ‘predestination paradox’? It is also known as ‘causality loop’ or ‘closed loop’ in some instances…which in essence means that when and if a man were capable of ‘time travel’, one is likely to assume that not only do his actions staged while in the past effect the future (his present) of humanity, but his foreknowledge of certain events would temporally complicate the causal stability within history. It is also likely that if such a ‘time traveler’ was so compelled, that he could actually journey into the past so as to warn man of coming events in order to soften their blow on humanity. Again, this would complicate our idea of cosmogony a bit and create what is commonly called a ‘predestination paradox’.
(‘Argumentum ad Magus’ continued in the next post)
Although, there does exist another aspect to this logical dissent which up to this point has not been pointed out, and it involves a quirk that remains exclusively within the prevue of prophetic act and mysticism. Why does prophecy always have to redefine terms in order to see itself fulfilled (which is what religious translators call hermeneutics)?
In answer to this question, I will pose yet another question: “What if that very aptitude or faculty which makes temporal disruption possible (perhaps at some remote point in the extended future) is the same process that produces or defines a talent like that contained within the two fields of ‘aesthetics’ or ‘poetics’? What if the alteration of the presence of the moment along the time line is more akin to a passionate procedure using man’s own Vitalistic field as a vehicle implemented to transcend the boundaries of time (through stroking one’s meat rod)…what if this primitive procedure is the only means by which an entity can break free from the linear vector of time in its dynamic continuity?
If this is indeed so, it would be reasonable to assume that if ‘poetics’ and ‘aesthetics’ are those fields of study which reveal such an inspirational influence (futuristically), that the hermeneutical procedure of translation would always be difficult, given the allegorical and highly symbolic role these mysterious apparatuses seem to play in our human discourse. In fact, it is likely that many prosaic/mystical utterances have more than one simultaneous translation, if taken out of its immediate context and applied to other somewhat disparate situations. Can all of these definitions prove meaningful, useful or true? Why not? There are many instances in the English dictionary where a word has more than one definition, and others where the meanings of two words appear to overlap. Does this modern convention of language seem out of bounds to the more strict rationality of our moment (i.e., logical positivism)?
Herein lies the problem with that pessimistic/cynical position of most atheists: the moment that the hermeneutical movement becomes evident (when a cultural theoretician attempts to discuss an artwork, literary classic or religious text, as far as any implied cultural meaning or significance)…all these authoritarian misers see is the ungainly attempts at redefinition/distortion and thus automatically proclaim the terse words of ‘self-fulfilling prophecy’ so that they can quickly take their leave of this whole mystical dialogue post-haste. The truth is that they are right…there is something self-fulfilling in this marvelous process, but it does not logically follow that all mysticism in this context must be recognized as audaciously/clairvoyantly bogus (i.e., Reductio ad Absurdum). Unbeknownst to most laymen, there is a hidden dynamic at play here (for I have studied and implemented it through the course of my own aesthetic routines)…and someday I hope that science will catch up to mysticism in its genuine regard for that underlying Vitalistic influence as it is…a evolutionary process that continues to define and animate each and every one of us.
I live in Holland and it only showed in the capital, but somehow a friend found it. Great movie, critical questions while still letting the people speak without interruption. They themselves have shown how ridiculous their beliefs are. Can't wait for a sequel, regardless if there are plans or not.
How come my post doesn't show? :(
SAlam alikom, i'm Toufik from algeria and i'm Muslim...if you reeally searsh for the truth not making money from the shows, make a search for " AHMAD DIDAT"...you will find some of the lost truth reply me on toufikzone@hotmail.com .
the coran alk about killing th infidels not because they refuse to be muslims but, if we don't fight theme we will be killed as you see in irak, afghanistan, palastine ... please make a search
about the abusing of the west on muslims we dont fight until they fight us, infidels stay in peace we stay in peace but jewis never let that happends
Please Bill see the "zeitgeist" documentary
Something I don't understand is; Muslims are killing more Muslims than their supposed enemies. It seems like in Iraq more Muslims have been killed by bombing their own people in store fronts, schools, etc. What is the purpose of this? Is it for power or the influence of Islam?
To me, it seems like religion is a welcome vehicle to make others succumb to their lust for power.
In Afghanistan schools are being burned down and women disfigured. People are living in fear of crossing over the line of Taliban code of law. Pakistan certainly doesn't want them. They have their own share of people blowing themselves up.
Palestine is no different. Hamas freely parades hundreds of men in the street to their deaths because they belong to another party. A wedding party was shot to death for singing. In Escape from Hamas, a leader's son told similar stories of torture and abuse.
We are not blind in the West to the atrocities of America, Israel, the Bible or Christianity. But there just seems to be a cloud of fear to point out the viciousness of the Muslim world including Saddam, Iran/Iraq War, Hamas, Hezbollah and the conquests of Islam.
This fear and lack of freedom will not prevail.
garbage, total garbage! muslim religion is no religion! it is an ideology! and it is faschist! where ever they are, the earth burns and people suffer!
From Nashville songwriter Richard Aberdeen, author of the song, "Who Would Jesus Bomb?".
I saw a video on YouTube where Mr. Maher said that belief in God is the "root of all of our problems".
I challenge Mr. Maher to a public debate demonstrating by historical and scientific evidence whether or not it is true that belief in God is the root cause of any of humanity's problems.
YOU TUBE VIDEO by Richard Aberdeen
Does Belief in God Cause War?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY4uBQ-KIvI
Sincerely,
Richard Aberdeen
www.FreeddomTracks.com
Richard, you did make some good points in your utube clip. Looking at the climate surrounding N Korea today and from yesterday, war continues to threaten the stability of the planet. Not everything can be blamed on religion, but human nature, power and greed; as you pointed out sin or the imperfection of man.
Maher says to ones 'grow up or die' whereas you say to him and others like him 'grow up.' I find that to be very good advice. I see far too many temper tantrums, fear, frustration and angry words from those that would have us believe we are uneducated lunatics.
We'll see if Maher meets your challenge. I don't think he will.
I just bought religulous. very timely. Many people go aroung chasing their tales after a non existant god. They fill in the blank of life with superstition that has destroyed the pool of knowledge that came with seeking facts. So instead of understanding nature we are still in the age of throwing virgins in the vulcanoe, we are selling our souls to be ignorant of reality. if we would place more faith in reality then we would be more likely to make others and ourselves accountable for their and our actions instead of beleiving that some god forgives us while those we actually do harm to are forgotten in our denial. Denial, the essence of shirking responsibility for our actions. We are so not holding ourselves for our actions that we have courts jammed up with people suing others for something like dropping a cup of coffee on your own lap. When are we to be held accountable for our own actions. Religion just another way of passing the buck and saying it's not my fault. Gypsy
Some reforms recently are now limiting punitive damages in many court cases. One case did lead to McDonald's lowering the extremely high temperature at which they brewed coffee. The woman in that case suffered severely debilitating injuries for years. Although we may not agree with the damages awarded, the case did serve to protect others or children from suffering the same.
Most religious persons do have a conscience and try to live by the principles of their faith such as Jesus words at Matthew 7:12, "All things, therefore, that YOU want men to do to YOU, YOU also must likewise do to them; this, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean", and "Why, then, do you look at the straw in your brother's eye, but do not consider the rafter in your own eye?" Mat 7:1-5
A stern warning is also given at Matthew 5, beginning at verse 21, some of which states: "If, then . . . your brother has something against you . . . Be about settling matters quickly with the one complaining against you at law . . . the complainant may . . . turn you over to the judge . . . I say to you for a fact, You will certainly not come out from there until you have paid over the last coin of very little value."
In light of those verses, it appears Jesus was clearly advising ones to admit wrong and be quick to make peace.
Although religions have not lived up to God's standards, there are those that strive to follow the counsel given in the Bible. While there are extremists, the film seems to lump all people of faith as irrational. This is not the case.
Come on QueenFox. You damn well know the coffee is hot when you buy it.. Places like that make it extra hot so that it is still drinkable when you get it to your office or where ever you TAKE OUT coffee to bring.
Mat:7:12 that you quote. do onto others as you would have do onto you? If we did to christians what they do to us you would all be headed for a straight jacket. You apparently want us to lecture you with fairy tales, Nag you incessantly and preach to you in ignorance of the real world.
Mat7:1-5 why is it.... In the version I read about 10 yrs back it was Why do you condemn the speck in your brothers eye when you yourself have beams in your own eyes... first remove the beams from your own eye ...
I remember this verse because it reminds me why you christians read the book.. YOU need that lecture and the beam is your religions. Even if there is a relevent message none of you get it. You all prefer the beams or blindness while you incessantly nit pick at what others don't know. YOu say we are wrong because there are somethings we don't know or we do not understand.. the words I DON'T KNOW is simply a relection of TRUTH... you instead of I don't know invent a fairy tale that gives you the illusion that you know anything. Truth you should try it sometime.
Perhaps every christian sould be sued in court. Just because you are so anoying and I'm complaining. face it the court systems are over crowded, what you all need is some good old fashion ridicule.
In light of those verses, when have any of us ever heard a christian admit they were wrong. you prefer burning others alive, or using some other form of violence, you are far from peaceful when someone else wins an argument.
The reason religions have not lived up to God's standards is because it is wrong, it is wrong to preach one thing then obviously act another way. Religions is a poor excuse for any kind of standard, and there is no god.
YOU ARE ALL IRRATIONAL, THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T EVER GET IT.
Hi, I just happend to see your movie (the title intrugued me) and you articulated the thoughts I had since I was a teenager exactly.
And because it always feels nice to be agreed with, I loved that movie.
Very sadly, I already know it will only be seen and welcomed by those who already agree with you, but, uhm - okay, I'll just stop right here.
Major cheers from Frankfurt, Germany, Bill - you got a new fan!
Sabine
Mr. Bill Maher,
I just finished watching your movie,i am a Muslim and first of all i want to tell you that i am not angry not at all and neither do i have any plans of blowing you up :-).
Second, as far as the movie is concerned your research was poor at least regarding Islam. Quotes from Osama Bin Laden, a suspected CIA x-agent? Really? Interview of a Maulvi of a Dutch mosque, probably some guy with a beard from the street, least you could have done was interview a real Muslim scholar and i am sure you would have come across many in America alone.
I think it was a nice try of earning money especially targeting that 16% (as you said) is a big number and i am sure you would have made it too. Something new for the audience (once again your words) :-). I thought i add a smiley so that you know the tone!
What i got from the movie was a shameless self promoting agenda! At least you could have made it unbiased, showed both sides of the story? And why didn't you focus on Islam more, only 10-15% of the whole documentary, i bet you couldn't find that much to go around with,considering the situation of America with Pakistan and Muslims all over the world.
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"What i got from the movie was a shameless self promoting agenda! At least you could have made it unbiased, showed both sides of the story?"
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A shameless self promoting? I didn't see Bill Maher building a religion.. for that is what a religion is... shameless self promotion.. There is no god. And every sucker bowing to one who expects the rest of us to bow to it is out of line. I too saw the movie. What I got out of it was a boost of reality.. You the religious never like to look at what you are, what you promote. YOU the religious by ignoring the issues brought up in this documentary are denying what they are.
Yes Muslims are bombing the world, not unlike the christians who are bombing the world.. (USA) they just got a bigger government to do it with.. The rest of us are fed up with your religious wars. If you did really have a god he would be ashamed of you all.
So while you "scholars" ignore what you became, we the fed up public are ready to move on from the fairy tale and superstition of god and religion.. :) and I too place a smiley so you can see the spirit in which I write this, I smile for I see brighter days ahead, when many many people walk away from all religion.
Gypsy
God or gods can be anyone or anything. God meaning 'Mighty One'. Men on earth have been called gods and angels are called gods. Whereas faith is a belief though not necessarily belief in a particular religion.
I'm amazed at the faith of persons looking forward to a new world. Their faith, hope and dreams perhaps rest upon the religious to come to their senses that there is no God(s).
Still others throughout the ages have put their faith, hope and dreams in a new world order many reference to being some type of world socialism . . . which dreams certainly prove true among the governments is their aim for peace and security.
But this in itself is a fairytale and blind faith. Governments promises of peace and security will never occur no matter how many times they seek to secure it.
If there is a God, and I'm sure there is. He will make good on his promises to bring about the ever illusive peace by means of his Christ. And in this way we religiously inclined will know True Peace And Security.
Micah 4:4
janiceam
It seems I deleted one of the posts without reading it.
It was concerning the McDonalds coffee lawsuit. I was able to locate some of the information on the web concerning the case which I have listed below from the website: http://lawandhelp.com/q298-2.htm.
Firstly though I would like to make mention that it is obvious Christianity has not lived up to it's name or the message Jesus taught. If I quote verses or scripture it is to contrast what Jesus actually taught as opposed to what Christendom has taught or condoned now or in the past. It is not my intention to 'burn people alive' or dead.
According to the Wall Street journal, McDonald's callousness was the issue and even jurors who thought the case was just a tempest in a coffee pot were overwhelmed by the evidence against the Corporation.
The facts of the case, which caused a jury of six men and six women to find McDonald's coffee was unreasonably dangerous and had caused enough human misery and suffering that no one should be made to suffer exposure to such excessively hot coffee again, will shock and amaze you:
McFact No. 1: For years, McDonald's had known they had a problem with the way they make their coffee - that their coffee was served much hotter (at least 20 degrees more so) than at other restaurants.
McFact No. 2: McDonald's knew its coffee sometimes caused serious injuries - more than 700 incidents of scalding coffee burns in the past decade have been settled by the Corporation - and yet they never so much as consulted a burn expert regarding the issue.
McFact No. 3: The woman involved in this infamous case suffered very serious injuries - third degree burns on her groin, thighs and buttocks that required skin grafts and a seven-day hospital stay.
McFact No. 4: The woman, an 81-year old former department store clerk who had never before filed suit against anyone, said she wouldn't have brought the lawsuit against McDonald's had the Corporation not dismissed her request for compensation for medical bills.
McFact No. 5: A McDonald's quality assurance manager testified in the case that the Corporation was aware of the risk of serving dangerously hot coffee and had no plans to either turn down the heat or to post warning about the possibility of severe burns, even though most customers wouldn't think it was possible.
McFact No. 6: After careful deliberation, the jury found McDonald's was liable because the facts were overwhelmingly against the company. When it came to the punitive damages, the jury found that McDonald's had engaged in willful, reckless, malicious, or wanton conduct, and rendered a punitive damage award of 2.7 million dollars. (The equivalent of just two days of coffee sales, McDonalds Corporation generates revenues in excess of 1.3 million dollars daily from the sale of its coffee, selling 1 billion cups each year.)
McFact No. 7: On appeal, a judge lowered the award to $480,000, a fact not widely publicized in the media.
McFact No. 8: A report in Liability Week, September 29, 1997, indicated that Kathleen Gilliam, 73, suffered first degree burns when a cup of coffee spilled onto her lap. Reports also indicate that McDonald's consistently keeps its coffee at 185 degrees, still approximately 20 degrees hotter than at other restaurants. Third degree burns occur at this temperature in just two to seven seconds, requiring skin grafting, debridement and whirlpool treatments that cost tens of thousands of dollars and result in permanent disfigurement, extreme pain and disability to the victims for many months, and in some cases, years.
The most important message this case has for you, the consumer, is to be aware of the potential danger posed by your early morning pick-me-up. Take extra care to make sure children do not come into contact with scalding liquid, and always look to the facts before rendering your decision about any publicized case.
janiceam
ZenGrouch "It's just that, if you're not out to break the laws of physics, he doesn't really give a shit about what you're doing or what's being done to you. "
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That doesn't sound like the God the religions are preaching about is it now.. And since they are the only ones introducing, preaching or teaching GOD..you must rethink your thinking on the matter.
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God or gods can be anyone or anything. God meaning 'Mighty One'. Men on earth have been called gods and angels are called gods.
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That,s not what you christians are preaching when you are condemning us to hell as sinners now is it,
Gyspy
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hEY IT.S A FACT OF LIFE THAT COFFEE IS HOT.. MACDONALDS WOULD GET MORE FLACK IF IT SERVE IT,S COFFEE COLD.
AND YOU HAD TO MENTION CHRISTIAN WITH IT...
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hEY IT.S A FACT OF LIFE THAT COFFEE IS HOT.. MACDONALDS WOULD GET MORE FLACK IF IT SERVE IT,S COFFEE COLD.
AND YOU HAD TO MENTION CHRISTIAN WITH IT...
(sighing)
I know this coffee thing is getting a little old here. . .
But if I may add . . .
McDonalds claimed they brewed their coffee at a much higher degree than most restaurants because it made the coffee taste better. Just to play devil's advocate, I would say that people know fresh brewed coffee is hot and should not scream bloody mary if they are not careful and spill boiling hot coffee on themselves and then seek to sue for their own carelessness.
On the other hand, accidents do happen. If something could be done to change a life threatening situation to a lessor degree, it would be more desirable especially if because of a careless act a child is injured. So if a law suit can prevent someone from 3rd degree burns to maybe a lesser 1st or 2nd degree burn, than the case was worth the litigation. At least this is my opinion which others may still disagree. But at this point, I'll consider the issue moot. There's certainly no point in beating a dead horse. (smile)
The other point regarding 'god(s)' is brought out in the Bible whereas God declares the nation of Israel as sons and also declares them gods. (Psalms 82:6) Angels are also defined as gods as well as a force operating in the world is described as god and ruler of the world.
Concerning hell, in the Hebrew scriptures it simply meant the grave or pit. Christianity eventually added a different interpretation using Jesus' illustration of the fires of the valley of Gehenna in which dead bodies were disposed. The valley of Gehenna no longer exists as in ancient times.
As a special note, in Revelation, hell itself is thrown into a lake of fire as well as death. Death cannot literally burn in fire. Therefore, this future prophecy portrays certain conditions. The fire would represent eternal destruction whereby death is destroyed and no longer exists on earth. No longer will people grow old or die. The wild beast in Revelation and false prophet are also thrown into the lake of fire. The wild beast and false prophet are representative of the government(s) on earth. The wild beast is not a literal wild beast and therefore the fire is also not a literal fire. The fire represents total destruction of manmade rulerships. The government of Christ is instituted instead and remains forever. Rev 20:14
janiceam
In 1997 NORAD said they insure, "Aircraft flying over our air space are monitored seven days a week, 24 hours a day."
In 2004 the Air Force contradictorily said, "Before 2001, 1st Air Force was charged with keeping an eye on the nation’s borders, usually looking for threats in the form of Russian aircraft skirting too close for comfort to the mainland. In those few hours, the command’s mission went from looking outward to looking inward."
See the 5 articles on NORAD at www.DNotice.org
In 1997 NORAD said they insure, "Aircraft flying over our air space are monitored seven days a week, 24 hours a day."
In 2004 the Air Force contradictorily said, "Before 2001, 1st Air Force was charged with keeping an eye on the nation’s borders, usually looking for threats in the form of Russian aircraft skirting too close for comfort to the mainland. In those few hours, the command’s mission went from looking outward to looking inward."
See the 5 articles on NORAD at www.DNotice.org
Thanks for the movie! I think you're VERY courageous! It WOULD be nice to live in a world where there was unity when it comes to one's beliefs...I alway's wondered if there were really one God, why do we have so many different religions??? I find it confusing, and personally I'm tired of feeling like I'm a 'heathen' because I practice the gospel of trying to be a decent human being and base my life on good ol common sense, something I didn't learn from a church or a bible (thankyou Mom and Dad and Teachers and friends and soforth) See, I may live a 'secular' lifestyle, but I've never made anyone feel bad for what they believe, but funny how some religious peeps have made me feel bad for what I am. WHOA,Imagine that! ;)
Thanks again for the movie!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM
This is a video explaining whether God exists, by a man who has studied and memorized the Bible (many versions), Quran, and Torah. He gives citations of where he got his information.
If you are atheist, please watch this! It WILL change your life.
If you truly believe in the scientific approach. There are more than 1000 verses in the Quran than mentions science. Science that we have just discovered today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM
This is a video explaining whether God exists, by a man who has studied and memorized the Bible (many versions), Quran, and Torah. He gives citations of where he got his information.
If you are atheist, please watch this! It WILL change your life.
Again heres the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM
I wish i could make a movie and say what do you believe oh really that's what you believe this is why that's stupid and if they ask me what I believe oh i have no beliefs on the subject I just love to crush other beliefs and i was playing online poker as i wrote this so i am no god person by no means but i'm not gonna make a movie were i can pick and choose what idiots i put in the movie to make my points
I saw your movie on DVD. I absolutely loved it, and you made some great points. Towards the end, you charge us fellow atheists/agnostics with spreading our message and truly "saving" the world. Any ideas on how to do that? Changing the mindset of the vast majority seems impossible, at this point. I usually get the same reactions you did - "I don't want to talk about this anymore. You're not going to change my mind."
I would love to see a religion-less civilization in my lifetime, so I can enjoy some peace before I die. But is that really possible? Will it ever be? Unfortunately, the same doomsday scenarios written in the scriptures are now a reality for everyone.
Mr. Maher- first of all -thank you- for the sentient part of my 21 odd years on this lush green planet I have had almost if not the exact same views as you on every topic from gays to religion (though they're not so far apart are they) - and people used to call me crazy- and I thought I was too- my views caused people to think of me as at least a bit kooky- crazy, infidel, anarchist(by one dunce who didn't know the meaning of the word) or the spawn of devil as one person colorfully put it.. I live in India- you see. Not the free-est country in the world. But I was blessed with a good education and a huge library - and a tv set- which showed me a man like me. But one who got pussy, his own tv show, movie n was rich. Thank you Bill Maher.
And keep it up. I'm guessing there are more like us out there in some desolate continent.. I don't kno where-but I sure as hell hope there are-
I got "saved" a few years ago and i was raised christian. My whole life i have been sick with diseases. I was told by a Christian just to wait on GOds healing. So i waited and waited. I got sicker and sicker and i was just told to keep waiting and that he would deliver me. Sometime during this time i started questioning everything in the bible. I annoyed Christians with questions and they got mad at me for asking questions. I couldn`t stop douting however. It wasnt untill i watched the movie Religulous did i realize not only was i a skeptic but it was ok to be a skeptic. I am not an athiest like Myher is but i dont buy into rediculous things of the bible like faith healings and thank GOd i dont have to. I could have died if i continued to wait for GOd to heal me like i was being told to do. Luckily I came to my sences and went back on the medication to treat me. How can anyone believe in the talking donkey (of the bible), demon possession, talking snake, Jesus assending into heaven in full bodily form? Its just nonesence. And one you realize that you are free from the bondage that is religion. The bible was writen by men who were uneducated. Any religion that requires a human sacrifice for any reason at all, is a sick religion plain and simple. I can only speak about the religion i come from...and like i said its a sick religion. Thank God for Bill Myher i dont have to go through with any more "faith healings" because of some stupid reason the religious people actualy believed i was experiencing "spiritual warefare." Oh ya thats another stupid concept comming from the bible. Thanks Bill Myher for your movie and for opening my eyes.
Hi Anonymous,
This forum has just about ran it course and your comment has been one of very few lately. Religulous has not been earth shattering to say the least or started any great new movements. People are still generally free to believe or not believe in a God.
If I could provide some incite into a few things which of course you are free to dismiss. All of God's people were able to read and were very well educated by him as we can see from the Bible canon itself. Although some did not proceed to higher schools of rabbinical instruction, such as in the case of Jesus' disciples; they were considered unlettered and ordinary. However, we can clearly see they could read and write. The physician, Luke, being a doctor 'reported wine had certain medicinal value as an antiseptic and mild disinfectant. (Luke 10:4)34 "So he approached him and bound up his wounds, pouring oil and wine upon them. Then he mounted him upon his own beast and brought him to an inn and took care of him." The apostle Paul also advised Timothy to drink a little wine for his stomach problem. Paul also spoke of a thorn in his flesh which may have also been a physical affliction. So not everyone received miracles of healings.
I am very sorry to hear about your medical condition. Many in the world today suffer from imperfect bodies and minds. My understanding from the scriptures is that God's spirit operated more prominently in ancient times to show that God was with his people and with the newly formed "babe" or Christian congregation. The persons that received these gifts of God's spirit to perform such miracles died and those gifts died with them.
"Whether there are [gifts of] prophesying, they will be done away with; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will be done away with . . . When I was a babe, I used to speak as a babe, to think as a babe, to reason as a babe; but now that I have become a man, I have done away with the [traits] of a babe . . . 13 Now, however, there remain faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love." (1 Cor 13:8-13) Jesus also said there would be those that claim to perform powerful works in his name, and he disowns them.
It would be foolish of a Christian to tell anyone not to take needed medication or not to visit their doctor. However we can always pray for strength to help us endure whatever afflictions we may encounter. A prophecy in the Bible speaks of a time when "no resident will say: “I am sick.” (Isa 33:24)
Concerning the other strange episodes mentioned in the Bible, it should be noted that none of the animals could actually speak. These strange occurrences can only be understood if we realize there are other forces operating in the universe besides mortal humans. The Greatest Force in the universe set a world in motion and cannot be denied.
I'v been working on a review of Maher's movie for quite some time to help answer some of the questions it posed although it is rather lengthy. Hopefully I can post it soon.
These are just my thoughts, no brow-beating intended. I welcome your thoughts as well.
religulous was great and religous people are fucked in the head they believe in a talking snake and all that other bull shit i think the bible was the creation of a few bored kids killing time or a bunch of loony nut jobs that had nothing better to do then fuck with peoples heads. But yeah the movie was fuckin great very good work i laughed like a mad man although i got one question if god created everything what created god he cant just be something had to of created him or is that the only time evolution has a place in religoun
Religion brings the masses together and is the backbone to most peoples beliefs in how they live their lives, what they are to see and hear, etc
When the Church of England started taking out books from the bible one book they decided to toss is a book called Tobit.
The two books of Maccabees in the vulgate are important books that King James wished to have removed.
Maccabees is a detailed historical account that can be proved using historical data. It expands on who are descendants of Abraham (peoples like the Spartans) and early relationships between Israel and Rome.
English Royalty is known for having heavy Illuminati connections. Many English Kings were Masons.
Can we really trust any secular monarch?
Is it so insane to think that an English King and his Archbishop may have had ulterior motives?
Maybe you will study about King James I of England and find some very surprising things about him.
Maybe you can make connections between the agendas of the Church of England and the New World Order.
Jerome was a modest early Christian priest with many beautiful writings giving praise to the Awesome One of Israel.
He gathered the scripture and organized it (I believe with Divine guidance) for the faithful of the early church.
I don't like the idea of secular Illuminati supported monarchs picking and choosing what they like from the original "bible"....
Leveticus 20:26 - Thus you are to be holy to Me, for I YHWH am holy; and I have set you apart from the peoples to be Mine.
why do we have to be born again if we are to be gods children ?
that's like saying we have to be recreated because something is wrong
(my first bible was a king james bible but wasn't king james from england where they have the most masons and Illuminati, etc?)
ArchbishopDanette M. Scott
@ Alan I must let you know that on the day of Pentecost, regardless of what country, race, color or creed anyone was from, they praised and worshipped God and spoke in unknown tongues.
Also be advised that your question is valid for any believer, due the fact that man has perverted the Gospel to suit their own selfish needs and to distort the truth.
which ends up causing these types of questions, that cause doubt. Doubt is a fear in which the heathens of this earth will tend to feed the people that have a belief system regardless of the denomination, religion, sect or occult.
The darkness that has plagued the world and misleadings of spiritual leaders, have raised an eyebrow to all who say they belief in a higher power which is God. If the basic history of the worlds existence proves that a foundation was here before man could examine or scientifically explain, then I must say that it didn't happen by osmosis.
Further more Alan I must say that you have a valid argument because of what man has done, but I will tell you this, we will never be able to give an account for Jesus because we weren't there, but our understanding in depth will arise through our relationship with the Holy Spirit.
Be advised that when trouble arises God seems to be called upon regardless of who you are.
There has been GREAT DISCUSSION SURROUNDING THIS ISSUE AND THE ARGUMENT OF THE BIBLE NOT BEING IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER.
I DO UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE HAS HAPPENED IN THE EARTH, AND THE WORD HAS SPOKEN OF GREAT DECEIVERS THAT WILL AND HAVE TAINTED THE GOSPEL.
I DO HOWEVER SEE THAT THIS DISCUSSION IS NECESSARY TO HELP FURTHER THE KINGDOM OF GOD AND OUR MOST INNER SPIRITS THAT HAVE FREE WILL TO SIN OR NOT TO SIN, OR LET'S JUST SAY RIGHT OR WRONG!
Alan I have been in many circles throught my travels and exposed to just about every religion during my internships.
There are misleading facts in every last one of the denominations, religions, sects or occults
Just as we have our own voice of reason, common sense, or stupid is what stupid does mentality, we have our own lives, and what we choose to do with free will and choice dictates our futures.
We could and can be ruled as in the Roman days and a political system that doesn't allow you to even have freedom of choice or speech.
Alan I must also say that this is in simplicity without fancy words to prove a point. I validate your questions and feel as though it is an eye opener to those who seek to know the truth, but God is all knowing, all seeing, all hearing, all loving, and ready to help anyone who chooses to confess with their mouth that HE IS LORD and not man. If you read the Bible OT/NT we will find accounts of our very existence today and life situations that are applicable.
We will always agree to disagree which is just a humanistic way of trying to win a vote in society as well as a pat on the back.
So Alan Faith is the substance of things hope for, and the evidence of things not seen. So whether or not the Bible is correct or incorrect, we still have a right to follow what makes one whole in mind, body and soul.
Wholeness is due in part to achieving your dreams in an imperfect world, but winning a soul to Christ make it perfect.
So Alan when that unexplainable feeling that comes over you in church, is it a chill or the Holy Spirit?
When this happens, is it a life changing, mind altering experience that changes your attitude about life and others?
Do you run and want to tell somebody of your experience?
Thank you Alan for your thoughts. This forum is experiencing a slow and painful death. So any resuscitation is welcome.
I would like to discuss a few issues you mentioned. I was unaware there was an “original” Bible. Fact being we do not have the original writings of Moses neither do we have the original scrolls of the disciples or apostles of Christ. What we do have are manuscripts or copies of those original writings passed down either in whole or part.
During the Protestant Reformation, leaders chose to follow more closely the official Jewish canon of scripture. The official Jewish catalogue was compiled from the earliest known scrolls used by Jesus and the apostles. It includes the exact number of books mentioned by Josephus. Quoting from the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, “We do not possess myriads of inconsistent books, conflicting with each other. Our books, those which are justly accredited, are but two and twenty [the equivalent of our 39 today] and contain the record of all time”. Against Apion (I, 38-41 [8])
The Catholic Bible(s) is comprised from the Greek Septuagint. The Greek Septuagint is the most important of the early Greek translations of the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament Bible). However it contains what many consider to be Apocryphal books which include some personal histories of certain Jewish families, prayers, traditions, etc. These books were never referred to or quoted from by Jesus or the writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures and were not known to be used in public.
I disagree in some aspects with the second writings you posted of an archbishop, “Danette M Scott?” We cannot expect a mere book of ancient origin to not have some scribal errors, variations or deviations from the original text and that would even the Quran although many would like to disagree. At that, the gospel is not changed or lost. God’s message or gospel remains the same concerning his will and purpose for mankind by instituting a new administration of his choosing though Christ. True there exists misleading facts as there is no perfect denomination, sect or organization of people because mankind is wholly imperfect. That being said however, we cannot say what is perfect to God if someone or something accomplishes his purpose. The Bible records shows many persons declared perfect by God although we know they were indeed very imperfect people.
On the issue of doubt - how can a person not doubt something of which they cannot physically see, hear, taste smell or touch with the five senses? We know there are many forces operating in the world which we cannot see but we know they are there. The force of gravity is there even though we do not see it. Jesus once told a man his daughter would be made well but have faith. The man said ‘I have faith, help me out where I need faith.’ Reflecting the same need, may we always keep asking God to help us where we need faith to put our hopes and dreams in something real, tangible and sure for a better world and future.
Lastly, the Bible says in Adam we are all dying, in Christ we are all made alive. When we are first conceived, born into the world, we began to die. There is no hope to live again. Persons must be born again in that spirit which operates through faith in Christ. As the Apostle Paul says if there is no resurrection of the dead, then let us eat and drink for tomorrow we shall die. There is no hope only despair.
These are my thoughts
And I thank you for yours as well
QueenFox
janiceam
One Last Thought,
The disciples that received holy spirit were not speaking in unknown tongues. The scriptures clearly indicate persons were speaking in foreign languages whereby the people of the nations could hear and understand the things said in their glorying of God and concerning the good news of the kingdom. Although I am not surprised by the misunderstanding, the archbishop only had to take the time to read all the verses surrounding the matter.
Dear Bill loved to see how you Interviewed all the people who didnt know how to explain their faith...your movie was really bad...Not all Christians have it right, these days not many have it right...Faith, is the belief in something that you can't see or touch. I have faith in God, I know he is there because I just know, and most people need hard proof...Well if you think there is no God then I feel sorry for you...and I would love for you too but you arent going to from the looks of it, but I wonder what you are going to say when God asks you Why you have tired to make people disbelieve, God does love everyone...and its because of Gods love that he must punish people for sin...which we chose to have. If you would like to know more just comment back...
Dear Bill loved to see how you Interviewed all the people who didnt know how to explain their faith...your movie was really bad...Not all Christians have it right, these days not many have it right...Faith, is the belief in something that you can't see or touch. I have faith in God, I know he is there because I just know, and most people need hard proof...Well if you think there is no God then I feel sorry for you...and I would love for you too but you arent going to from the looks of it, but I wonder what you are going to say when God asks you Why you have tired to make people disbelieve, God does love everyone...and its because of Gods love that he must punish people for sin...which we chose to have. If you would like to know more just comment back...
Hey Bill, I finally got to see Religulous and thought it was great. But I found two small problems with it. The first is that I think there is a difference between religion and God. Believing in God is as easy as saying, how does the creation of the universe come from nothing to something? The answer is having a Creator. (and leaving religion out of it) And the second point I noticed is that you were a little unfair with Scientology. With the other religions you quoted exact scripture but with Scientology you only quoted rumors. This seemed odd since you can get all of the Scientology books on line. You may have to check your sources a little closer next time. (example; Scientology doesn't believe that a Thetan is an evil alien living inside your body. Thetan is just another word for your soul. But since the word soul has so many religious connotations it was not used so as not to be associated with other religious uses or misuses of that word.)
Anonymous
I read your comment of August 8 and I wholeheartedly agree with your statement that there is a huge difference between religion and God. There is plenty of evidence of God's existence in front of your eyes every day in the creation you see around. Religion on the other hand is man's creation so it makes sense to me that we would screw it up.
I just read a fascinating book on this recently and I must say it was the most interesting book, by far, on this subject I have ever read.
It is called |”The Common Sense God” and it is available at volumesdirect.com.
Well worth the read for sure.
Oye Bill, I just say Religulous and I wanted to say something. Now, I myself do not believe in Religion, but I wouldn't call myself an anti-religionist.. I think that Religion is essential for the society man!
Religion is for the weak heart-ed, of the our society predominantly consists of. Not for persons like you or me.
If there were NO religion, everything would be in chaos.
Religion gives you the support, the HOPE!
In our case, we just have to face the moment, looking straight in its fucking eyes!
I'm curious, Bill. Why didn't you interview any Jehovah's Witnesses in your movie? Or did I miss that? I would have loved to hear your take on that religion.
I was absolutely appalled at the way you misrepresented anti-zionism. You didn't let the man get a word in, you kept putting words in his mouth and you never let him explain what exactly he wants for Israel and its people.
Anti-zionism is NOT anti-semitism. Anti-zionists are against the STATE of Israel, not Israelis themselves. You made it look like anti-zionists want genocide, falsely claiming that they want Israel "annihilated", and when the rabbi tried to correct you, you simply didn't let him.
I'm an anti-zionist in the sense that I'm completely against the way Israel functions (its economy, its foreign policy, its social policy). It's an institution I'd like to see disappear, as the rabbi said (at least in its current form). That doesn't mean I don't wish all the happiness to its CITIZENS, whatever their race or religion. It's a parallel to how I'm against the church, but I don't persecute christians.
I would like to respond to Vanessa_Patta's post.
I'm afraid Vanessa missed the point of the discussion with the Rabi. This Rabi represent the views of a small faction of the Jewish people and some Christians. It is not that they object to a state that is the homeland of the Jewish nation, they oppose the way it was created. They believe that only divine intervention (the messiah) can bring this about. Of course they don't like the fact that it is not a theocracy/kingdom but a secular democracy.
I understand that you find a distinction between anti-Israel and anti-Jews. I would like to offer a perspective: to say that a nation is not allowed to have a homeland is to say that there is something wrong with it. The Jewish nation is one of the oldest (unlike some newly manufactured nations of the middle-east) and to suggest that they are not allowed in their land is like saying that Greece should not exist because it had been ruled by the Turks for a few hundred years.
So Bill..I guess you believe you evolved from an ape? Have you examined the Science and History of the Bible? Science PROVES that God is real..your just looking at it from the wrong direction.
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"science proves that god is real"= show me where... learn enough about the bible and you'll realize it's primitive b.s.- hell , not one time is an angel mentioned having wings and when you compare all religions you will find they all fit neatly in the context of more ancient myths reinvented for that era. They thought earthquakes and such was god's wrath and jesus would come back when there would be wars and rumors of wars and famine & plagues- bs again. when has there NOT been wars and rumors of wars, plagues and famine? People just can't admit how paltry we all truly are and hate being confronted with the reality of their own mortality.
Well spacytracy, I guess the missles that North Korea fired on South Korea is only a skirmish.
You don't see because you are blind.
The Bible prophecies speak of a certain generation when all these events would occur globally and people would become faint out of fear. We can certainly see earthquakes every week or two in every part of the world causing major disruptions to life and property. Even in America we have a shortage of food and necessities such as medical care.
The fear today if North Korea continues and the South along with America reacts will China respond as well? Whose side will Russia align themselves? These aggressors are communist societies. But we know religion will be blamed - It never fails, although we'll still holding our breathe with Yemen, Iran and this world war against terrorism. A constant fear is that one day the world will either self-destruct from abuse of man or an idiot will launch an attack that will cause a nuclear holocaust.
A note concerning the angels, they are spirit forces not seen by the naked eye. There are many forces operating in the world which we cannot see but we know they are there such as gravity or the wind. In the bible it appears these such angelic forces materialized into human form and appeared to humans. These angels are known to have a superior form of transportation as in one Bible account before someone had finished praying an angel appeared before them. The ark of the covenant was designed I believe with 2 angels covering the ark with wings. The wings would represent the flight of such ones not that they actual have wings like birds. This is my understanding.
Concerning our immortality, I don't normally hear people or atheists say they want to die unless they are sick or suffering either mentally or physically in some extreme way. However a few atheists have told me they would get sick of living forever and would feel comfortable dying after a certain period of time.
oh yes, and the cuban missile crisis never existed.... read your history and you will see who is blind
I know what you speak of is pretty much correct. I received information in 1979 from Spirit through a deep-trance medium that confirms much of it, but there is much more to consider. If you wish to know more, check out my book Truth Never Changes: Earth Changes. It's on Amazon. Web Site www.trueearthchanges.com
BILL, FALSE RELIGION IS HYPOCRITICAL AND SILLY, BUT YOUR SHOW PROVING IT SO WASNT THE FIRST SHOW IN TOWN. JESUS SAID THE SAME THING LONG AGO WHEN HE SAID TO THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS "WHY DO YOU OVERSTEP THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD FOR YOUR TRADITIONS?...YOU MAKE THE WORD OF GOD INVALID...ISAIAH PROPHESIED OF YOUS WHEN HE SAID OF GOD "THESE PEOPLE KEEP WORSHIPPING ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME...IT IS IN VAIN THEY KEEP WORSHIPPING..." MATTHEW 15:1-39. BUT I FIND IT ALWAYS SO FUNNY LISTENING TO PEOPLE WHO FEEL THEY ARE SO SMART WITH THEIR QUESTIONING "FAITH" WHEN THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION DEMANDS MORE "FAITH" THAN A CREATOR...CHECK IT OUT ALL YOU BRILLIANT FOLK...THE "THEORY" OF EVOLUTION DEFIES THE "LAW" OF ENTROPY SO ITS THEREFORE IMPOSSIBLE EVEN BY OUR RIDICULOUS AND HYPOCRITAL STANDARDS AS HUMANS. DIGITAL CODES IN OUR DNA AND RNA MACHINERY ALSO PROVE AN INTELLIGENT DESIGNER OTHERWISE I WOULDNT HAVE TO DESIGN AND TEACH YOU MORSE CODE FOR IT TO WORK EITHER. ASK NEWTON, GALILEO, AND COPERNICUS...ALL SMARTER THAN YOUS...ALL KNEW RELIGION WAS A SHAM...BUT ALL KNEW THERE WAS A CREATOR AND THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY HIM--SOMEONE MUCH MORE MATHEMATICAL AND INTELLIGENT THAN WE OR THEY COULD EVEN IMAGINE. WAKE UP PEOPLE--YOURE NOT SMART AT ALL. REPENT AND STOP STEALING GLORY FOR NOTHING BUT POINTING OUT OTHER HUMANS ACTING LIKE IDIOTS WHILE THEY INFURIATE OUR CREATOR...GIVE GLORY TO THE FATHER IN HEAVEN, THE MAKER OF THE HEAVENS AND EARTH.
this anonymous guys thoughts are those who bring war, death, environmental destruction and everything bad into this world. there are so many nerds who are defying their senses for something they call "faith"! and ofc this comes from a higher being which cannot be challenged. with others words: nobody dare telling me that I came from apes, that I dont have an undying soul (i was about to write sole for a change) and that I will vanish/perish/desintegrate one day and after one generation nobody will even know my name anymore.
thats the bottom line and it ignites the world whereever/whenever/whatever!
mankind is really a dead end of evolution! and these billions of calvinistic/moslemic hubertusglöckchen are blocking the exit for people who are able to use their brain and mind.
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Hey Bill
I was very amused at seeing your rational documentary. I have always thought the same things that you are speaking. Religion is a very dangerous thing and can inspire human beings to kill each other in the name of same God that created the people that are being killed. But really its all for profit -- blood money as I call it. What saddens me is that it involves well meaning souls which are easily brainwashed. I just gained a tremendous respect for you.
I believe that there is God but no religion can claim copyrights to it -- but they all manipulate. We are all equal human beings and equal sons and daughters of God, that is if he exists.
Once again, I thank you for voicing my concerns as a human being who feels that the only religion that should exist first is Humanity. Nobody has seen God but we see people and charity starts at home.
"Religion", the blind following of someone else's flawed philosophical bent, is indeed a dangerous thing. Just ask the historians what it did to Germany. The 'religion' of self-aggrandizement coupled with low self esteem is extremely dangerous. This is the disease of the vast majority of humanity, the 'religion' of ego, idolatry (elevation of opinion over reason), and fear. Making a flawed god based on flawed thought is indeed the way to eternal death.
However, a relationship with GOD the Loving CREATOR, by HIS SON, CHRIST JESUS, through the Power of the HOLY SPIRIT, is based on reason. GOD HIMSELF, through HIS WORD, tells us to come and reason with HIM to get to know of HIM.
So I agree, religion is a horrendous way to be, but reasoned relationship which builds faith? That is the wonder and the beauty of GOD.
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Saw the FILM and was intrigued by it so much so that I have been researching all of your references to older writings on Religion. This one I found interesting. Digging for the truth is harder than I ever perceived it to be. http://inspiritandtruth.org/files/A_Five-page_Report_on_Religulous.pdf
Saw your movie on Religion 2/18/13 and I must share this bit of information with everybody.
A number of years ago, Peter W. Stoner and Robert C. Newman wrote/updated a book entitled Science Speaks. The book was based on the science of probability and vouched for by the American Scientific Affiliation. Science Speaks set out the odds of any one man in all of history fulfilling only eight of the 60 major scriptural/biblical prophecies (and 270 ramifications) fulfilled by the life of Jesus. Here's my point. The probability that any one man could have fulfilled even eight of these 60 prophecies would be 1x10 to the 17th power. That's 1 in 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000. The actual number is something like 1x10 to the 150 power. Share this little known fact with everybody that you know. Thanks Bill.
Saw your movie on Religion 2/18/13
A number of years ago, Peter W. Stoner and Robert C. Newman wrote/updated a book entitled Science Speaks. The book was based on the science of probability and vouched for by the American Scientific Affiliation. Science Speaks set out the odds of any one man in all of history fulfilling even only eight of the 60 major scriptural/biblical prophecies (and 270 ramifications) fulfilled by the life of Jesus. Here's my point. The probability that any one man in this case Jesus of Nazareth could have fulfilled even eight of these 60 prophecies would be 1x10 to the 17th power. That's 1 in 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000. The actual number is something like 1x10 to the 150 power. This is a pearl of wisdom.
Saw your movie on Religion 2/18/13
A number of years ago, Peter W. Stoner and Robert C. Newman wrote/updated a book entitled Science Speaks. The book was based on the science of probability and vouched for by the American Scientific Affiliation. Science Speaks set out the odds of any one man in all of history fulfilling even only eight of the 60 major scriptural/biblical prophecies (and 270 ramifications) fulfilled by the life of Jesus. Here's my point. The probability that any one man in this case Jesus of Nazareth could have fulfilled even eight of these 60 prophecies would be 1x10 to the 17th power. That's 1 in 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000. The actual number is something like 1x10 to the 150 power. This is a pearl of wisdom.
Saw your movie on Religion 2/18/13
A number of years ago, Peter W. Stoner and Robert C. Newman wrote/updated a book entitled Science Speaks. The book was based on the science of probability and vouched for by the American Scientific Affiliation. Science Speaks set out the odds of any one man in all of history fulfilling even only eight of the 60 major scriptural/biblical prophecies (and 270 ramifications) fulfilled by the life of Jesus. Here's my point. The probability that any one man in this case Jesus of Nazareth could have fulfilled even eight of these 60 prophecies would be 1x10 to the 17th power. That's 1 in 100, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000. The actual number is something like 1x10 to the 150 power. This is a pearl of wisdom.
What were the percentages or probability of Jesus' death? Was there any consideration given to the accounts of secular historians or their accounts concerning this matter?
Hello Bill:
I have the utmost respect for your sense of fairness, critical mind, and intelligence. I dont know a better way to contact you but it is in regards to the existence of God, in which you are mistaken.
I literally experienced the Holy Spirit many years ago that changed my life forever since. The experience was visually blinding, emotional, very real and extremely joyous. I want you to know this because it is important for you to understand that some people alive on this planet and not a dead prophet(s) have seen and experienced the Holy Spirit. He is very beautiful. He is as the Bible describes as a pillar of white light (ellipsoid) that is blinding and the size of a man. His rays penetrate your body and soul and bonds you to Heaven. The result being extreme joy and happiness I have never felt before or since.
I like you Bill and I hope you find the Lord one day so you can feel His love and joy in your heart too. No one dies an Atheist, we all will meet the Lord and I hope it is a joyous homecoming and not a "gee, I wish I had known.."
I am an admirer of yours and this is the absolute truth Sir. Sincerely
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