Saturday, May 9, 2009

Americans, please wash hands before criticizing Obama

Friday, May 8th 2009

New Rule: Now that we've answered his call to wash our hands, President Obama must continue to tell us how to live. Last week, when America was faced with the pan-global swine flu omega death plague, the President went on TV and told people to wash their hands, and experts tell us this made a big difference, which augurs well for next month's "National Wipe Your Butt Day." Next week, in a fireside chat, he'll tell us not to put a fork in the toaster.

It's sad that the leader of the free world had to call a live press conference to tell his nation of clueless nitwits that employees must wash hands before returning to work. If that's not the "Forrest Gump-ification" of America, I don't know what is. Feeling wet, America? Why not try new, "Coming in from the Rain"?

You may think I'm blowing this out of proportion, but this plea from Obama - you know, the "Audacity of Soap" - was the first specific thing a President has asked the American people to actually do in decades. Unless you count "go shopping." Hopefully it will open the door to other, slightly weightier suggestions from the President.

So please, Mr. President, tell us to turn the lights off when we leave the room. Tell us not to buy crap we don't need and can't afford. Tell us to lay off the Ring Dings and Cheese Nips, and think twice before dating a stranger we meet on craigslist. For God's sake, tell people to read a newspaper. Not just to save the newspaper industry - though Lord knows I'd miss my Daily Jumble - but because having a public that actually knows something is our best defense against ever again electing a President who knows nothing.

There's a name for people who do the right thing for their country, even if it involves sacrifice. And no, it's not "socialists." It's "patriots." We all know the modern definition of a patriot: It's the person who pays the least taxes and listens to the most A.M. radio. But that wasn't what it always meant.

Patriots want their fellow citizens to be able to go to the hospital. They want to make sure no one sells them bread made out of Chinese skulls. They want a country where the deer and the antelope can still play - and not just so Sarah Palin can shoot them from a helicopter. Patriots want to burn less coal and buy less oil. Jimmy Carter put solar panels on the White House roof and Ronald Reagan had them removed. You've heard of "opposite marriage"? This is "opposite patriotism."

Rush Limbaugh celebrated this Earth Day by praising coal-fired power plants and the plastic bag, while Glenn Beck cheered a man on while he cut down trees.

During the campaign, Obama suggested that one simple thing Americans could do to help with fuel-efficiency was check their car's tire pressure. And Republicans freaked, because to them, every suggestion for the common good is a direct attack on their personal liberty, and it's unpatriotic to interfere with anyone's God-given right to be big, dumb and selfish.

When the President suggests things that will help the greater good, that's not a slight against your fragile manhood. I know, you're a rugged individualist. But you're not - you're just a schmuck.

Going back to Reagan, all of our leaders have predictably and reliably told us that government is always the problem, never you my precious, perfect American citizen. You are always perfect just the way you are, like a precious little snowflake. A beautiful, precious, 350-pound, pig-ignorant snowflake.

-Bill Maher

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ZenGrouch said...

If you hate those god damned smug penguins HALF as much as I do, you're gonna love this web site:

http://fuckyoupenguin.blogspot.com/

Lauren Perry said...

grouch,

with all that goes on in the world,
this crap you post is what makes you stand up and take notice?

pathetic.
wake up and read a damn newspaper, cover to cover (the interesting shit is never on the front page)
or better yet, read a book
a real fucking book - it'll take time, but it seems like you have nothing but that

oh, and the reason i *don't* post every hour of every day like you do, is that i really *do* get out of my house and do things like graduate, travel, see my FRIENDS (in case you forgot, they are people - not family - who like you)
and i live.
please, get out of your house and try that, just a few times at first - it'll be hard for you, i can tell, to really start living after all this time just dying

ZenGrouch said...

Oh...

You're so cute when you roll over on your back and beg for mercy.

**wevae me awone, or I tellin momma! Go away! Scat! Waaaaaaa!**

...you started it Poindexter

ZenGrouch said...

"with all that goes on in the world,
this crap you post is what makes you stand up and take notice?
..."

Sorry Nancy Drew, but when I see a Republicunt suffering...

...I gotta pour salt in the wound.

Besides, beats the shit out of talking about me, which you stupid psycho cunts seem to be doing nothing but!

...I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna let you gang lick my asshole. Not gonna happen.

Now ignore me or shut the fuck up...

...like THAT's an option you crazy fuck!

Lauren Perry said...

as much as it pains me to say it...

it really IS about *YOU*, grouch
i mean it really is

if i thought that i could change the world by altering some universal document floating above us all, i would, believe me - save myself the trouble of dealing with people like you

but the problems i'm trying to change originate in people like you - no, they ARE the people like you.
your attitude, mindset and beliefs are all contributing to the destruction of a whole species - our own
and its not just you, of course, its the average person who is like this, spiteful and greedy and individualistic, clawing at the faces of others so that they can get just that much higher on the "social ladder" you all think exists, dutifully paying taxes and credit card bills and all that bullshit...

ALL OF THIS SOCIETY
is what i'm trying to upheave - and you're included in the fun, grouch.
to change the world, i have to get a lot better at trying to open up the clam-like minds such as your own

and THAT is why i bother you at all - trust me, other than that its boring, repetitive and mind-numbingly dull to try to speak about important issues with you or anyone like you.

M.O.R said...

It does not look good for Cheney and Limbaugh, I'll give you that. But with congress saying no to closing down Guantanamo immediately, I would worry that they don't hold too much control of the purse strings, thus denying Obama a chance to strengthen International relations.

ZenGrouch said...

Ohhh, the Psycho is trying to *Change* me, like it's doing some sort of public service, like producing award winning documentaries all around this marvelous world!

Yes, taking the time on my miserable soul, to make the world a better place!

...what a load of horse shit, concocted by the mind of a mental defect!

Now, me...

It's obvious why I'm here.

I like fucking with assholes.

Plain and simple!

And what better place to find flaming idiot assholes, than a place they come to piss in the sand!

But You... you aren't here because you're so fucking crazy you can't look away. You are here to make the world a better place!

NOW do you see how fucking insane you appear to others, who aren't of a like mindset?

ZenGrouch said...

"but the problems i'm trying to change originate in people like you - no, they ARE the people like you.
your attitude, mindset and beliefs are all contributing to the destruction of a whole species
..."

Funny...

Eight years of Bush with me snapping at his and his supporters heels, through Blogs & web sites from day one, and *I'M* the problem?

OK...

I guess in a hundred years this opinion may be vindicated...

...funny shit!

Anonymous said...

Lucky I'm insane after all I've been through,
Life's been good to me - so far.

Xen, indecent_tahtahs has to be a guy. The only woman I have known who cussed like this had done a tour in the army; and the only people I know who go on simplistic tirades like his are dissapointed white men, 21-28.

Take off the dress and be a manly man, incandescent_tahtahs. You're fooling noone.

Anonymous said...

Oh you would be surprised!

Anonymous said...

Hey Xen

I think its pretty cool to have the power to block the posts of the smarter students, don't you?

Lets work on mind control next; I think I see a solution to the world crisis.

Anonymous said...

Lying Perry,

You are so selfish in your delusion that you can't even recognize it.

I gave you something cosmic to think about and you see nothing, then you come back with this 'its for your own good, asshole' cop attitude.

Lithium doesn't make you smarter kid, it just takes the edge off your free floating anxieties.

Try and get your head around THIS. I think its his best of many excellent movies.

Make a documentary about *this*.

Lauren Perry said...

lens
here i am hoping for a response from my "freedom" post to you. it was so much more interesting than any of this.
since you clearly missed it...:

Lauren Perry said...

lens,

when you say the only thing to you that matters is freedom,

do you consider yourself completely free?
i mean,
*did you educate yourself (not go to public school)
*do you grow all of your own food
*do you find all of the water you need
*did you build the place you live in by your self

or do you rely on society for these things (among many others)

i mean, where is your "freedom" line drawn?
do you know what it is to be MENTALLY free?
free from ads, from influence, from biases and nationalist pride and, most of all (because it seems like you are not,) are you fee from hatred within your self?

and, last but certainly not least,
didn't you know that even having a SELF is limiting your freedom?
May 19, 2009 12:30 PM



the "cosmic thing" you gave me to think about was... mel brooks?
something similar?
i'm not staggering under impression here...

Anonymous said...

Look here:

**Yo' dude that's just wrong! Fucking the old lady before we had a chance to say grace!**

After that you might unnerstan this, which was my response to your lame setup question:
Those heads, all those heads, are other incarnations of my self.

They are also your heads.

I am everyone, and so are you. There is no center, it goes to infinity in all directions, even beyond this time cone.

So I have a very personal protest of all torture and violent crime. Kill with compassion; you are killing yourself.

Kind of makes you wonder what 'god' doubleWide was taking getting his instructions from. What a psycho!


I am sure that if you go bback to the New Testament with an open mind, which I am also quite sure that you do not have, that you will find this is exactly consistent with what Joshua taught.

Not what the cheats made it, what He actually taught.

I do know The Way. I usually don't spend this much time on you children of Belial because its always wasted, but this time I believe that the message is recorded and published to more a larger, more receptive audience.

Lauren Perry said...

damn.
i can't respond to a bible-humper

keep your chains, you choose them.
i have no need for your false idols, nor does a BILL MAHER blog commentary,
hahahaha

and as far as your visions of violence, go ahead and sow your seeds of hatred and pain
i will tell my stories of light and of love
and be the better for it
as you grow the darker

Anonymous said...

You are a fool.

ZenGrouch said...

Lens...

When you cast pearls before psychotic swine...

...you can't get too pissed, when they're stomped into pig shit.

mike m said...
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mike m said...

Jello then,

Jello Biafra/Dead Kennedys Interview

Jello now,


Die for Oil, Suckers

For you, Lauren, if you're really into HST.

Hunter S. Thompson's Famous 9/11 Interview - Parts I-VI

Lauren Perry said...

thanks mike,
i have already seen the 9/11 interviews, some crazy stuff, but one of the definite reasons i love him. do you also like terrence mckenna?

that jello then and now thing was awesome, i had never seen that. but i love the dead kennedys. it was cool to see him talk about the songs and their background.

mike m said...

Jello for Mayor!

Anonymous said...

Look at this: a record player! A Girl Named Sandoz

Lauren Perry said...

lens
you like govt mule?

Anonymous said...

When punting sometimes the pooch hooks into one wall or slices into the other. They just don't have the coordination to straighten out in flight, messy landings. The important thing is to enjoy the game.Christian??! Perhaps these new republicans are even dumber than I thought. I dunno, doubleWide got elected two times, and he still is in prison. I should be used to disapointment by now.

Anonymous said...

Partying with Stupid

mike m said...

Lauren,

McKenna? I think I started reading Food for the Gods. I think he was into the "natural" state of psychedelics, whereas, Shulgin was/is more into processing or refining the individual compounds.

Wasn't the movie Altered States based loosely on his ideas?

Is man's evolution based on certain hallucinogenic compounds? Or is it more subtle than that? Was there something in Newton's apple that triggered a certain genetic sequence, which led to the Age of Enlightenment? Was the same true for Einstein? I've always wondered if Einstein traveled back in time would he be able to teach Newton quantum mechanics? Would he be able to grasp the concept? Would Newton be able to teach Pythagoras Calculus?

They say the human mind can not completely perceive of what happens inside of an atom. Probably, because there's nothing that we can compare it to within our own "world". I guess that's why there are several theories regarding quantum mechanics. All of them "work", but every one has one small detail that just doesn't fit, if I remember correctly.

So, is there a compound in a species of "apple" that will unlock a genetic code within the human mind, that hasn't evolved yet, that will give the mind the ability to understand? Can we synthesize compounds that can unlock these genetic codes? That's a good question for Sasha Shulgin.

mike m said...

Gov't Mule? I didn't think chicks were into them. Their concerts are usually sausage fests.

mike m said...

Oh, and why are you wasting your time on this blog? Didn't you just graduate. Shouldn't you be out gettin drunk, stoned and laid, and driving your car into a ditch, like normal college kids?

Anonymous said...

Adam, apple, tits up!

You are a child or a poser, so I won't strip you of your illusion.

This time.

Bill didn't make this space ugly, you did. You might consider that Bill made this honey pot for you.

Lauren Perry said...

Haha, i love listening to sasha and his wife talk about their work back in the day... good stuff.
gov't mule is sweet, very bluesy.

as far a evolutionary jumps...
i suppose you could say, rationally, we should expect a jump in the capability of the brain to perform the functions we are designing it for - adaptation to technology, to the level of co-evolution i suspect

if you're talking about the inability to understand the nucleus of an atom, well that's most definitely true - we can barely even conceive the size of our own cities. what we really do is make these ideas abstract enough to understand in a limited way - like bringing a miniature city to mind.
from these abstractions, we develop our understanding of the world
and, then, laughingly, we insist that others got it wrong, we got it right FOR SURE, and THEY should listen to US
and on and on and on

what does "bill made this honeypot for you" mean?

oh, yea, mike..
i'd say more than 3/4 of these posts are made when i'm stoned or drunk or both after chillen, enjoying the time off

time off ends soon, so ya know, living up the freedom, and all

Anonymous said...

Ok, who's Adam, apple or tits up?

Anonymous said...

A dam Apple. What a childish mythos.

What do your nightmares look like? In mine, I kill the things that threaten me. Sometimes I mistakenly kill innocents.

Thats what wakes me up.

Try to imagine that, baby doll. Look out for the killer pimps, dirty cops and all lawyers.

Thats pronounced 'liars'.

Cyd said...

For the Obamabots,look at what methods and policies The Obama is employing:

---The Patriot Act
---Wiretaps
---E-mail intercepts
---Military tribunals
---Predator drone attacks
---Iraq (i.e., slowing the withdrawal)
---Afghanistan (i.e., the surge)
---Guantanamo
---Rendition -- turning over terrorists seized abroad to foreign countries
---State secrets -- claiming them in court to quash legal proceedings on rendition and other erstwhile barbarisms
---Denial of habeas corpus -- to detainees in Afghanistan's Bagram prison, indistinguishable logically and morally from Guantanamo

Bush the Darker???

Lauren Perry said...
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Lauren Perry said...

mike (and everyone else interested),

if you haven't already heard of this website:

www.ted.com

then it will soon become your favorite place on the net.
enjoi.

Anonymous said...

Cyd

I agree wholly. I also agreed wholly when the Bush-Cheney-Rice-Rumsfeld-Asscraft junto was doing it.

All 3 federal branches are corrupt to the extent that the checks and balances are gone, leaving only the 'LA riot' goons.

So ask the IRS (again) how Joe Biden amassed 60 million dollars as a true and faithful civil servant...

Anonymous said...

Rasberry red, lemon yellow, orange orange! Heres 22 million dollars for that idea, you crusty fake!

Remember Grey Davis aka Joe the embezzler? Looks like he took early retirement after laundering 2 billions through the Mexico border program, Early retirement.

Don't forget the easilly hacked Diebold, a company that appeared magically, as most cia fronts do.

Anonymous said...

Joke Of The Day:
Never Hire a Man to do a Woman's Job...
A few months ago, there was an opening with the CIA for an assassin. These highly classified positions are hard to fill, and there's a lot of testing and background checks involved before you can even be considered for the position.

After sending some applicants through the background checks, training and testing, they narrowed the possible choices down to two men and a woman, but only one position was available.

The day came for the final test to see which person would get the extremely secretive job. The CIA men administering the test took one of the men to a large metal door and handed him a gun. "We must know that you will follow your instructions no matter what the circumstances," they explained. "Inside this room, you will find your wife sitting in a chair. Take this gun and kill her."

The man got a shocked look on his face and said, "You can't be serious! I could never shoot my own wife!" Well," said the CIA man, "you're definitely not the right man for this job then."

So they bring the second man to the same door and hand him a gun. "We must know that you will follow instructions no matter what the circumstances," they explained to the second man. "Inside you will find your wife sitting in a chair. Take this gun and kill her."

The second man looked a bit shocked, but nevertheless took the gun and went in the room. All was quiet for about five minutes, then the door opened. The man came out of the room with tears in his eyes. "I tried to shoot her. I just couldn't pull the trigger and shoot my wife. I guess I'm not the right man for the job."

"No," the CIA man replied. "You don't have what it takes. Take your wife and go the hell home."

Now they're down to the woman left to test. Again they lead her to the same door and hand her the same gun. "We must be sure that you will follow instructions no matter what the circumstances. This is your final test. Inside you will find your husband sitting in a chair. Take this gun and kill him."

The woman took the gun and opened the door. Before the door even closed all the way, the CIA heard the gun start firing, one shot after another, for 13 shots. Then they heard screaming, crashing, banging on the walls. This went on for several minutes, then all went quiet. The door opened slowly, and there stood the woman....... She wiped the sweat from her brow and said, "You guys didn't tell me the gun was loaded with blanks! I had to beat the son of a bitch to death with the chair!"

Anonymous said...

Mike,

The 'enlightenment' began after the Black Death wiped out 1/2 of the population of Europe, creating the kind of opportunity that the American colnies were.

That was several hundred years before Newton. Gottlieb was more a rennaisance man than Newton, I credit him with the publishing of the calculus, which Newton would otherwise have taken to his grave.

Newton was kind of a dick.

The atom is a model; it is not reality. To say that humans can't conceptualize its inner workings is false, as human minds invented & are reinventing this model. Sounds like an argument to get more funding, for sitting around daydreaming.

You like HST; you would also like "The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test", "Demon Box" & "On the Road".

Anonymous said...

Mike,

google "Stanislav Grof" & "The Holographic Universe". very trippy stuff, edge city.

Lauren Perry said...

yea, lens
thanks for the beatnik recommendations, wouldn't have found them without you (sarcasm much?)

your suggestion about the atom is a little like saying that, because the human mind invented the concept of the Big Bang, therefore the human mind can properly conceive of the notion of a big bang - which is fundamentally impossible, considering the limits to the mind on space awareness, but is ABSTRACTLY possible - in fact abstractions are the only way we understand the world - call them inventions of the mind or what you will.

if you liked the 3 books you listed, you should check out also Dharma Bums, Shantaram, In Search of Captain Zero, On Dialogue by David Bohm, or anything by Thomas Wolfe - but specifically Young Faustus

Lauren Perry said...

if you know of and like stanislav grof, you must know of mckenna, right lens?

Anonymous said...

Don't particularly like Wolfy, Tangerine was a bad read.

Kesey co-authored The Test, which I think was Wolfs best - and most factual - story. If you read "The Hell's Angels" by HST you'll find the documentaries dovetail about Lucifer.

"600 pounds of sin was standing at my window
All I could do was let them in"
GD, American Beauty album

You condescend to the Beats? What are you, Eric Cartman? The best tribute so far is "Charlie & the Chocolate Factory".

OK, for you I recommend "The Walker Commission Report On The 1968 Democratic Convention Riot". Be sure to scope these 2 chapters: "Wild In The Streets" and "The Clash". You'll especially like their conclusions, and how your government (Bush/CIA) quashed this report.

Your tax dollars fucking you till you bleed! Yay socialism!

Anonymous said...

Lauren,

Did you just state that you doubt 'the big wang' theory?

Anonymous said...

See if you can guess
what I am now:

Ain't got no t-bone,
got mashed potato

Ain't got no t-bone,
got mashed potato

Ain't got no t-bone,
got mashed potato

Ain't got no t-bone,
got mashed potato

Lauren Perry said...

perhaps if your ability to understand someone else were a bit better, you'd know that i was not doubting the big bang - however, do i have doubts about it? sure.

i read the walker commission report already.. certainly interesting.
don't give me this "your govt" bullshit - its OUR govt - you live here too, don't you? in one way or another, you're a part of this country, so get used to it and start feeling some responsibility for it

having said that, do i or did i ever support bush/cheney? hell no. i was one of those crazies outside the white house for years trying to impeach him for war crimes - aren't people still trying to do that now? hope it works...

and if you've read anything else i've said on this post, you'd already know i'm very much disillusioned by obama

so, are you suggesting you don't pay taxes?
i mean, i'm right there with you, i refuse to participate in the credit/debt system and i'll be leaving this country soon enough and detaching from the grid, and the system -
but most everyone else here seems pretty attached - and good for you all, gives you every right to complain, i think, i guess...

Lauren Perry said...

a vegetarian?

Lauren Perry said...

how about ray kurzweil? talk about off the edge... i love him =)

Anonymous said...

Don't insult me, it reflects badly on your self image.

If you stepped outside the box, I would support that.

I thought you were challenging the 'model' that is the Big Wang. Personally, I think its bullshit, and I can prove it. I just like watching idiots grovel at the alter of the Church of Reason. The Science has been as perverted as the Fed, only longer; thats where the Fed came from.

That and I can't explain why its bullshit without also revealing knowledge that can be weaponized beyond anything currently known. I am not taking the path Einstien took.

See the guilded cage? See the result? No thank you, and again, no thank you.

Lauren Perry said...

yea, i know science has become a dogma.
that much has become quite clear, especially in a country with too much science and not enough reason.

i won't weaponize any of your knowledge, trust me, but i've got enough physics and science background to be able to follow you, in a basic way. where did you differ from einstein?

Anonymous said...

Only on moral precept.

Anonymous said...

Trust you? Ahahahaha...

Anonymous said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Gell-Mann

Lauren Perry said...

hahaha
i love murray gell-man! i've followed his life and work for a while now, first found out about him on TED.com! (as in, go there)

yea, he's talked about his differences with einstein. you follow down his path? here i was dreaming up questioning newton (which is fascinating, and weird), or going with bohm on quantum physics or something

Anonymous said...

Who the fuck is that Spinal Tap band, or Ray Kurzweil? You love him... (tarded out)Gel-Mann is my ideologue. Murray was right... about something. I went with it, and it unravelled everything I was taught in my formal (Feymann) physics education.

I was always better at math anyway.

RATM has my number. To destroy my credibility as a witness, I was expelled from high school as I was about to expose the child molesting ring of 'teachers'. I later got a diploma, by blackmail.

Trust me, justice has been served. Just not in any legal way...

What planet are you from?

Lauren Perry said...

you LOOOOOVE gel-mann (tarded out)
how sophisticated you sound,
and ... what planet am i from?
i mean really - can we grow up here, just a little bit, and cease the kindergarten banter? it was my original request, after all...

so if all this happened back in high school, you haven't done much with it since then have you? i'm assuming high school must have been a while ago... it's the only thing that explains your temperament

so, in all that time, you just decided upending modern-day physics wasn't what you would do? was it just not the time? your work wasn't ripe enough?
yea, yea, well when you have something to propose, maybe you'll understand when i give you a little more credit

Anonymous said...

As you always do, you retardicant, you whip up hate.

I think you are a madam. You know, the evil bitch who tells the crying teenage girl who just got gang raped by guys who pay off the pigs - white slavers - that she wanted it.

You are an ugly Thing. The only thing you have in common with HST is your own self hatred.

Bye

Lauren Perry said...

so when i ask for decency above the level of kindergarten, you claim that i "whip up hate"?

right, me pointing out your biting tone and endless temperament of PMS is spewing hate - whereas you are the model of a bodhisattva, am i right?

Lauren Perry said...

sounds like something personal with that "madam evil bitch" thing -

not to go freudian on you or anything...
but are we talking about your mom now?

Anonymous said...

So, will the real Cheney please stand up?
And put one of those fingers on each hand up?
And be proud to be outta your mind and outta control
and one more time, loud as you can, how does it go?

Ha ha
Guess there's a Dick Cheney in all of us
Fuck it, let's all stand up

mike m said...

Big Bang Theory. Hubble's Law. Metric Expansion of the Universe. Doppler/ optical Red Shift. The universe is expanding. It always has been. So how can the universe be expanding when simple gravity suggests it should be contracting? Simple. Inertia. Where did the inertia come from? The Big Bang, where else? The expansion of the universe is based on the Doppler Effect, with the help of General Relativity, to apply it to E-M radiation. Pretty basic stuff.

Lauren Perry said...

mike,
your explanation doesn't cover dark matter, dark energy, or the exponentially increasing rate of expansion of the universe

Anonymous said...

Me and Zenny were much more fun!

mike m said...

Of course not. I was trying to keep it simple. But dark matter and dark energy don't negate the Big Bang theory.

Scientists once believed that space was some sort of "luminescent flux", a medium which facilitated the prorogation of light. We now know, light doesn't need a medium, right?

mike m said...

lens

If you are referring to Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, his and Newton's results on Calculus were published independently.

It was Newton’s conception of the Universe based upon Natural and rationally understandable laws that became one of the seeds for Enlightenment ideology. Locke and Voltaire applied concepts of Natural Law (reason) to political systems advocating intrinsic rights. It was Locke who greatly influenced Jefferson and Franklin, and The Declaration of Independence.

How do you tie The Plague to The Enlightenment?

mike m said...

i suppose you could say, rationally, we should expect a jump in the capability of the brain to perform the functions we are designing it for

Are you saying, humans are "designing" the human mind to perform the next evolutionary jump? I guess, a predetermined genetic sequence would suggest some sort of Creationism. But what if we did it to ourselves? What if humans colonized this planet, and for some reason decided to start from scratch? What if those sequences weren't placed there, but rather, purposely blocked? Some suggest that Ancient Gods were travelers from outer space. Suppose, those "Gods" were us, before the genetic locking. Perhaps there were certain "leakages", which would explain the Pyramids and the Ancient Philosophers. What if we "Terra formed" the Earth, to fit our needs. We looked at Mars and said "No thanks, Earth looks better. The Moon will help control tidal flows". Or perhaps we needed to "adjust" our own genetic code to fit in, and something was accidentally lost.

Whether it's the Metric Expansion of the Universe, or sub atomic particle Physics, something is missing in our ability to conceptualize.

Lauren Perry said...

hahaha
your description sounds just like the way that the show Battlestar Galactica ended - great show, if you're into this stuff, let me tell ya

i was indeed saying that humans are designing our own evolutionary jumps, but i don't think that i meant that as a conscious process of design. i mean it in the way that we "designed" the evolution of the cow and the sheep to become intrinsically linked to us and our way of living - this took a long time, but cows and sheep are actually evolutionarily adapted to us, as we are to certain bacteria on our skin, etc etc...

but, by using our frontal lobes in certain ways, we are conditioning the brain for the next jump in grey-matter evolution - that is to say, a higher amount of mutations (schizophrenia rates - or mental illness in general), a greater rate of variance in extremes indicates the approach of chaos before a singularity point (an evolutionary leap).
and, since we humans are already conscious, we're sort of taking over the driver's seat in evolution - we are very near the point of direct design of a form of life, but our conditioning alone of the brain and patterns or structures of thinking (logic, reason) over a certain amount of time (that part is very much questionable), will produce a mutation that will increase our capacity to do the functions best assisting our survival (talk about questionable...)

anyway, that got pretty complex, but you science nuts seem quite intelligent when we move away from the name-calling,
so what do you think?

mike m said...

Yeah, they stole it from me!!! I want royalties.

Did cows and sheep evolutionarily adapt to us, or did we consciously and specifically domesticate them to suit our needs? Are you saying we, through intervention, affected the evolution of certain animals? I'm sure this is true indirectly with some species (it is interaction between species, along with environmental conditions that most probably affect evolution). I'm not so sure we have the influence that we think we have, on evolution. Einstein said," I can't believe a mouse can change the universe simply by looking at it", and I think we can say the same for evolution.

Yes, we have "mapped" the human genome. We can clone, and genetically engineer (to a degree). But until we actually break the genetic "code", we are just children playing with toys. The same holds for splitting atoms and subatomic particles.

If you look deeply into it, just about everything in science is just a really good guess. Anytime you use pi or SQRT(2), etc, it's just an "estimate", not to mention complex numbers. SQRT(-1)? Yeah, OK. Let's just make up a number "i" and say i squared = -1, so that we can add, subtract, multiply and divide these numbers that don't really exist. Sure, it works to suit our needs, but just how logical is it to "make up" a number system? What are the possible implications? It may work for simple coordinate systems and electrical conductivity (RLC in AC circuits), but what about when you try to use it to make very complicated quantum computations? Mathematics isn't exactly the "pure" science, people believe it to be.

mike m said...

OK. Can we go back to simple name calling now?

Lauren Perry said...

if you like dan dennett, you'll enjoy this. he outlines in the beginning the part i want you to see, about the evolution of the cow, and he'll go back into it ten minutes into the (rather awesome) response to a preacher:

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/dan_dennett_s_response_to_rick_warren.html

and no i really don't care about inserting the goddamn hyperlink - ctrl c, ctrl v.

i do agree with dennett that "evolution is cleverer than you are," but the influence of our technology on the future of evolution is... well, you know my point of view.

i agree with you on the concepts in math, imaginary numbers, quantum displacement, time fluctuation (backwards, for instance), and on.
but, quantum mechanics is what powers the lasers that scan the bar codes on our groceries.
we are currently working on a computer defense system relying on the quantum properties of a single light particle (definitely worth googling)
so, this shaky, obscure, surreal "math" is more or less supporting real physical causes and effects in our society -
so, what is reality and what isn't?
mwuahaha...

ZenGrouch said...

OK, his intellectual masturbation is funny on one level, and one level only.

Not worth having to deal with the messy spooge all over this thread to follow.

Follow... That's funny, like following a pin ball with all the unrelated tangents you're taking, while attempting to ricochet your load making that spectacular cerebral bank shot, while breaking out the micrometers in a public brain measuring contest.

So, *this* is the type of intelligent conversation I was derailing.

Sheesh, head back to the nearest Community College Student Union to flex your cranial 'nads, if this is the best you got.

Lauren Perry said...

sorry you can't keep up grouch,

but thanks for letting me know you didn't get it

mike m said...

Zen,

You want funny - How about
13*7=28

Lauren Perry said...

hahahahahaha

o now i understand everything

ZenGrouch said...

Can't keep up...

Anyone who would consider for a second that there's a better theory to explain where the universe came from, than the Big Bang Theory, is a total idiot.

You're not intelligent. You're just a pretentious ass hole with a memory. You can parrot, but you can't think for yourself.

If I'm wrong, then why are you carrying on this circle jerk discussion *here?*

mike m said...

I'm not sure Diode Lasers use quantum calculations. Sure, solid state, ion gas, eximer, and molecular lasers do. What they call a metastable energy level. Although I guess any time as photon is produced.... But diode lasers are barely lasers in the true definition (coherent, monochromatic, stimulated amplification).

Funny, I was making the "evolution of Religion" argument just the other day, and how the Catholic Church is notoriously slow (female priests, vow of celibacy and poverty, birth control, masturbation every sperm is sacred etc, etc, etc.

Warren's ideas are definitely noteworthy, regarding evolution and man's affect on it. But what about the duality of the cat. Not just the "domestic" breeds, but the "wild" ones as well. Cats are the oldest domesticated species known. But they are the only domesticated species that will never be truly domesticated. A cat bred in the wild will be feral(?). That same cat, raised as a pet, will be domestic. And we're finding this to be true with wild species of cats. In Australia, researchers are raising medium size cats (panthers, Cougars, etc.) as "household pets", so to speak. To be able to interact with humans, basically. They are finding these cats are turning out out very similar to the domesticated species that we know and love. The Ancient Egyptians did believe that cats were a "gift from the Gods".

Lauren Perry said...

that's a good point about the cats,

it seems, at first glance, that various forms of behavior indicate a state of transition - perhaps they are at a brink of evolution as well, to become more co-related to us.
However, unlike cows or pigs or sheep, cats and dogs can still live in the "concrete jungle" without humans taking care of them. In many ways, they still have that instinct available, and it is useful to them.

just for fun, culture is not your friend:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYB0VW5x8fI

Lauren Perry said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c8an2XZ3MU

this one is better actually

mike m said...

L,

That was very interesting. The only flaw I see, is that, you can't "upgrade" you're operating system if you don't have a fast enough processor, or enough RAM. Let's face it. Some people just can't handle a raised level of consciousness. Their system would get bogged down. Also, many suffer from a computer worm, which rewrites the operating system called "addictive behavior" (among others). A "disk dump" will get rid of a lot of the bullshit, but it doesn't solve the underlying condition; the Human Condition. Plus, there's a serious hardware issue. The I/O interface is seriously flawed. Ultimately, people only see, hear, think, do, etc. what they "want to". We are our own worst enemy on both small and large scales. Sure, we can put together a few decades of a wonderful society, maybe even a millennium, but...we always end up biting ourselves in the ass. Is it an internal battle between good and evil? Perhaps, it's a battle between the heart and mind. Perhaps, that is our next evolutionary step; a balance between logic and emotion.

mike m said...

History of science and technology has consistently taught us that scientific advances in basic understanding have sooner or later led to technical and industrial applications that have revolutionized our way of life. It seems to me improbable that this effort to get at the structure of matter should be an exception to this rule. What is less certain, and what we all fervently hope, is that man will soon grow sufficiently adult to make good use of the powers that he acquires over nature."

- Enrico Fermi

Anonymous said...

Fermi was speaking from a position of responsibility for what he had done.

Einstien should have been as 'adult'.

Anonymous said...

Welcome to the Church of The Lens In My 3rd I. Help yourself to the sacraments you desire... this place has everything.
Mike, you ask some good questions.

The Plague(s) immediately preceded the Enlightenment. This upended the status quo so much that the 'nobles' had to farm their own lands... or starve. I think this is when they learned to make really good wine, as they had to get into the details of it. It created an opportunity for change. The Enlightenment is the ripples from that splash that are still driving us.

Gottlieb forced Newton to publish. They were both intellectually well endowed. The world must have been different back then: Gottlieb was so good at seduction and politics and with his tongue, he must have been like what the French have been like the last century.

Before you type that 'surrender' joke, remember that Benoit Mandelbrot held/holds the Yale math chair; on the other rim of that pond named after the real pyramid builders: ATLANTIC.

Have you looked at Google Earth lately?

IMO the only black holes are in the current theories... and the limitations of the currently taught math.

Put some vaseline on your head. If you read on, I'll pop your bias.

Your entire formal education is about models. I started as a psych major and continue in engineering. It took me 1 college semester to recognize that the models I had learned - Erickson, Maslow, etc. were their best guesses. By mid term I was making up my own models & testing them in clubs. If I got laid, my model was true.

I got to know a lot of nice girls, intimately. I also practiced, practiced, practiced till they/I gave me an A in diplomacy.

Since then I've been making my own models.

Anything less than neuropsychology is just a toy. I switched to engineering. I was aready admitted... coupe! I was paying for my education myself, I wanted the hard shit.

In the core I recognized that it was all models. All of it. Everything you think you know is a detail in a model.

You live in a model. Thats why I refererred to the Big Bang; you don't think you live in an atom.

It has massive faults. Explain to me how a quasar could form in the early universe, and why they all display from the 1st 3 billion years of observed reality? This model is acceptible to the Pope - it has a creation. That doesn't make it truth.

All you have to do is take the scientific method and dispassionately seek out and ask for the unresolved anomolies. If the model can resolve these, or be adapted to resolve these, then the model is valid. Its our best agreed understanding, otherwise fuck it! Show me another one.

I don't live in this model.

my favorite published alternative hypothesis to the Big Wang is the Open Singularity. Don't trust me, trust that the mathematician who worked this out got his doctorate. Find the original work (1978) before reading the later usurpers of the name, who 'adjust' it to allow the Big Wang.

Science is about asking honest questions, not pretending that we know the answer. Thats what politicians do.

I was not good at politics. I can get around it like a bad theory, I don't do it well. 'Pay the vig' - never!

Thats why I like Bill Maher.

Coach Mark said...

good for you Bill

mike m said...

lens,
Intelligent you are, but your read is strikingly similar to:

Industrial Society and Its Future

no offense. Do they allow inmates to go online at the federal Administrative Maximum Facility supermax in Florence, Colorado?

mike m said...

Seriously though, Fermi was Italian, Einstein was a Jew, what does that tell you?

I remember when I was in college, my very Italian Grandfather was over, and I was studying for a General Physics exam. He came over and asked if there were "any Italians in that book". I said "no", but I went and got my EE book and pointed out Fermi and semiconductor energy levels. "Oh, OK", he said.
But I didn't have the nerve to tell him Marconi stole the idea of the telegraph from Tesla (well, he was a fascist).

mike m said...

There's little doubt in my mind that Obama is just another corporate pawn. The latest is the commercials GE has been running.They are going to make healthcare available to 10,000,000 Americans. They are going to "streamline" medical records and billing. They are also building the Midwestern power grid. Healthcare reform, energy reform - Obama's two major initiatives - all being run by GE Put that together with - during the campaign, when it looked like Obama was going to win, one of his top economic advisers, Warren Buffet, dumped a ton of money into GE. So, what has really changed? Instead of the country being run by Exxon/Mobile, it's being run by GE. We can all rest easy now!!!

Lauren Perry said...

that bit about GE makes me nervous,
i thought universal health care meant that it was gov't controlled - i liked that, in the hands of the people (theoretically) better than in the hands of GE
christ

lens, i agree that the world is made up of mental models (of increasing complexity), like an operating system. our models of the world are very influenced by our culture/society we grow up in, as well as possible genetic influences...

you also say that science is about asking honest questions, not pretending to know the answer. first of all, science does form hypotheses, which DO guess at likely conclusions of experiments...
but that's not the point
your entire attitude (including your most recent, lengthy post) in my experience with you has been one of a sense of private knowledge and a form of speech that is "talking down", insulting, and (up to this point) mostly unintelligent.
so, how is your presentation on this blog not a contradiction of your very definition of science, which you seem to hold in regard?

anyway, i'm gonna go eat magic fruit and break my operating system.

peace.

mike m said...

Mama, lick on me now
No care
Put me on the bad side
Oh, so bad
I wanna make you love
Wanna, wanna watch your eyes
Dip them in a honey glaze
Mirror mine
Roll them high
Wanna make them

Drip away
Trip away
Trip away
Trip away
Trip away
Trip away
Way out
Way out

Oh, mama lick on me
I'm as tasty as a red plumb
Baby thumb
Wanna make you love
Wanna be wild animals
Lay down in a shady den
See the spring
Color in
Watch the stoney winter

Drip away
Trip away
Trip away
Trip away
Trip away
Trip away
Way out
Way out

Take my eye
Do not wonder why
I've come to the crux
I've looked it up and down
Seen the trespassers trample themselves
As the miser makes love with his wealth
Convenience his lure!

Tripped away the summer days
Some are gone
Some are O.K.
Summers gone
Some are makin love
I love to watch you
Love to watch you

Drip away
Trip away
Trip away
Trip away
Trip away

Trip away
Way out
Way out

- Perry Farrell

Lauren Perry said...

Immortal Technique
The Cause of Death

I see the world for what it is, beyond the white and the black
The way the government downplays historical facts
'Cuz the United States sponsored the rise of the 3rd Reich
Just like the CIA trained terrorists to the fight
Build bombs and sneak box cutters onto a flight
When I was a child, the Devil himself bought me a mic
But I refused the offer, 'cuz God sent me to strike
With skills unused like fallopian tubes on a dyke
My words'll expose George Bush and Bin Laden
As two separate parts of the same seven headed dragon
And you can't fathom the truth, so you don't hear me
You think illuminati's just a fuckin conspiracy theory?
That's why Conservative racists are all runnin' shit
And your phone is tapped by the Federal Government
So I'm jammin' frequencies in ya brain when you speak to me
Technique will rip a rapper to pieces indecently
Pack weapons illegally, because I'm never hesitant
Sniper scoping a commission controllin the president

Father, forgive them, for they don't know right from wrong
The truth will set you free, written down in this song
And the song has the Cause of Death written in code
The Word of God brought to life, that'll save ya soul..

I hacked the Pentagon for self-incriminating evidence
Of Republican manufactured white powder pestilence
Marines Corps. flat vest, with the guns and ammo
Spittin' bars like a demon stuck inside a piano
Turn a Sambo into a soldier with just one line
Now here's the truth about the system that'll fuck up your mind
They gave Al Queda 6 billion dollars in 1989 to 1992
And now the last chapters of Revelations are coming true
And I know a lot of people find it hard to swallow this
Because subliminal bigotry makes you hate my politics
But you act like America wouldn't destroy two buildings
In a country that was sponsoring bombs dropped on our children
I was watching the Towers, and though I wasn't the closest
I saw them crumble to the Earth like they was full of explosives
And they thought nobody noticed the news report that they did
About the bombs planted on the George Washington bridge
Four Non-Arabs arrested during the emergency
And then it disappeared from the news permanently
They dubbed a tape of Osama, and they said it was proof
"Jealous of our freedom," I can't believe you bought that excuse
Rockin a motherfucking flag don't make you a hero
Word to Ground Zero
The Devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th
The New World Order was born on September 11




And just so Conservatives don't take it to heart
I don't think Bush did it, 'cuz he isn't that smart
He's just a stupid puppet taking orders on his cell phone
From the same people that sabotaged Senator Wellstone
The military industry got it poppin' and lockin'
Looking for a way to justify the Wolfowitz Doctrine
And as a matter of fact, Rumsfeld, now that I think back
Without 9/11, you couldn't have a war in Iraq
Or a Defense budget of world conquest proportions
Kill freedom of speech and revoke the right to abortions
Tax cut extortion, a blessing to the wealthy and wicked
But you still have to answer to the Armageddon you scripted
And Dick Cheney, you fuckin leech, tell them your plans
About building your pipelines through Afghanistan
And how Israeli troops trained the Taliban in Pakistan
You might have some house niggaz fooled, but I understand
Colonialism is sponsored by corporations
That's why Halliburton gets paid to rebuild nations
Tell me the truth, I don't scare into paralysis
I know the CIA saw Bin Laden on dialysis
In '98 when he was Top Ten for the FBI
Government ties is really why the Government lies
Read it yourself instead of asking the Government why
'Cuz then the Cause of Death will cause the propaganda to die..

mike m said...

So, how was the "magic fruit"? When I was your age, it was magic mold. Albert Hofmann's Ergot mold, to be specific.

mike m said...

And just for reference, try to avoid dosing with accelerated pre-meds. Stick with the art and music majors if you can.

Lauren Perry said...

i just ended up with molly
no hippie-flipping that night - but another night, for sure (you should check out prettylightsmusic.com)
it was sweeeeeet - good times, good music

i won't be pursuing pre-med
probably grad and phd, but not med or law.
o well.

Manu Akula said...

I am pretty sure the ones who actually listened to Obama and followed his instructions weren't Republicans. In fact, going by the media's propaganda the Republicans would do the exact opposite.

The thing that makes me wonder is how stupid as Obamatrons if they need him to tell them to wash their hands.

mike m said...

What exactly is molly? Is that "molecule"? Unpressed "e"? Is hippie flipping the same as candy flipping? Or more like hippie crack? I guess terminology varies with region. I haven't really been into that seen all that much lately. Ever since Mikey died, you know... I saw Panic right after he died at Merriweather, that's sort of near your neck of the woods, maybe not, and wasn't very impressed with "the new guy". But now they have a new, new guy. They're playing Camden in August, with the Allman Bros, might go. Is it me, or have ticket prices really gone through the roof? All hail to the mighty Ticketmaster!!! Corporate price gouging at its best!

mike m said...

This is THE band to see, if you have the chance.

Galactic

Anonymous said...

Galileo,
Galvani,
Volta,
Venturi,
Da Vinci,
Et alia,

with accolades to (captain) Cosmo Medici & the Espresso Machine!

Your mind is like a muscle, it can be developed. Le Chatlier's principle applies.

If you make me Education Tzar, I promise to have cougars education 13-15 year old boys how to pleasure a woman. Everyone will be happier... trust me. In return I will let the church people teach ethics - but only to 17 years olds, when they are old enough to assimilate it through understanding, not brainwashing.

mike m said...

Here's another good band. They came out of UPenn. They stuck their Ivy league degrees in the drawer and went on tour. Gee, take a Wharton MBA to Wall Street and make $20,000/month from the door, or go on tour? What would you do? (Need I ask). They got a lot of airplay on The World Cafe and WXPN (UPenn radio station). Do you get TWC on your NPR station? I've grown up listening to David Dye's radio programs. If you're ever in this neck of the woods I'll take you to the World Cafe Live. I think they still have free concerts on Friday afternoons, but they usually sell out quick. I wanted to take my buddy from LA, who was just in town, but we never made it. We just hung out on South St. South St. used to be cool back in the 80s. A lot of underground punk. Now it's all corporate bullshit. The clothes store "Skinz" is still there. That's where Courney Love went ballistic, and trashed the place because they were selling Kurt Cobain paraphernalia. Her "band" Hole, was playing across the street at the TLA (Theater of the Livivg Arts). Sorry I missed that one! What a piece of work!
But believe it or not - Dale Bozzio from Missing Persons still lives there.
Disco Biscuits

Lauren Perry said...

hahaha
the biscuits! my close childhood friend and his soul-mate are groupies, he has been selling them the majority of their drugs for years now, hahahaha.
yea, they are one of the coolest bands out there right now. funky.
galactic, too, i know and love.
if that's your style, you probably know many of these guys, but if not check 'em out:

Hot Tuna (jorma koukonen, the guitarist from Jefferson Airplane, this is his very bluesy band)
Bela Fleck and the Flecktones (if you like a touch of jazz - great bassist - victor wooten)
Explosions in the Sky
Sigur Ros - these two bands are similar, in that they have epic, long songs, mostly instrumental or in icelandic or a made-up language
Four Tet - very electric, but good beats
moe. - you probably know them already
Fishbone - very funky
Jamiroquai - also funky - think everything that michael jackson should have been
Keller Williams - one of my favorite artists, he plays everything himself and loops it - he went to my college before he dropped out and followed music
John Butler Trio - he'll get you movin', got a great voice
Perpetual Groove - as the name says
Pogo - remixed audio bits from Alice in Wonderland, doesn't get much cooler than that
RJD2 - hiiighly recommended
Thievery Corporation - my HIGHEST recommendation

you like bluegrass?

get the tickets to allman bros, they're great. not too energetic, but nice for sitting back and staring at trippy mushroom art and slipping into entranced states of hallucination... i saw them with phil lesh and friends. =)

i've never heard of The World Cafe, but it sounds interesting.

hippie-flipping is like candy-flipping but with molly (the root stimulus in E, like it's pure form) and shrooms - you know, the natural version of candy-flipping, haha

mike m said...

Oh yeah,
I saw Bela in a small cafe around the time of his second album. Then I saw him not too long ago at Princeton U. Great venue. Tuna and Airplane are old, like Little Feet.

The Biscuits usually headline "Jam on the River", at Penn's landing every year. A weekend event. I didn't get to go this year.

Here, I'll give you the links to the World Cafe program, and the venue. You can listen to WXPN streaming. Click on "listen live". The World Cafe program starts at 2PM.


WXPN

World Cafe Live

mike m said...

Oh, if you like Bela, check out John Scofield. My friend went to Berklee Music School, and he said Scofield used to lecture there.

mike m said...

OMG. I was just going through XPN's website and found Star's End

I remember coming home trippin my face off, and listening to this until daybreak. That was about 25 years ago! I had no idea it was still on. Same schedule, Late Sat. night to early Sun. morning.

mike m said...

And for a very interesting, in depth, talk/debate show check out:

Marty Moss-Coane

You can download archives.

ZenGrouch said...

Damn...

I surely do wish this board came with a simple *ignore* function.

I'm getting carpel tunnel from scrolling down past the pretentious shit, which is getting a bit deep...

...even though it's quite shallow in nature.

Lauren Perry said...

you can't just ignore on your own, grouch?
like i said before, you're blocking...

mike, if you like any of these guys: Flaming Lips, Danger Mouse, David Lynch, Sparklehorse, Super Furry Animals, The Shins, The Strokes, The Pixies, Iggy Pop, Neutral Milk Hotel (and many more like them)..
then you will love this compilation cd called Dark Night of the Soul they all put together, being released in july but you can listen for free from npr here:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104129585

i really love this cd, the more i listen to it the better it gets. i haven't heard a real compilation cd like this, with a central feeling and theme, and of this quality, since dark side.
and dark side is the best cd, as a whole, that i've ever heard.
enjoi it.

Lauren Perry said...

hahahahaha, the fear and loathing board game:

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/26/fear-and-loathing-th.html

ZenGrouch said...

Congratulations Lauren!

You're the kind of troll that can't be ignored, without help from the blog software!

Good for you! An actual accomplishment!

If they gave awards for being an annoying piece of shit, you could put it right up there with the awards your many documentaries have won!

So, why do you and your new beau blather on with subjects that are not really in sync with a Bill Maher blog, if not to disrupt any normal activity?

If this isn't your intention, you could just e-mail each other with this crap.

But anyway, congratulations on being such a parasitic nuisance, covered in your own shit, to revolt people!

Cyd said...

I surely do wish this board came with a simple *ignore* function.Then the board would go from over 500 comments down to 40. LOL

I take it you have a hard time grasping irony, right ZenTurd? That, or you are bat shit crazy...probably both.

mike m said...

Zen

Do you ever have anything nice to say? Perhaps you measure you're own intelligence by how well you can insult people. Either that or you are really starved for attention.

Talk about trolling; there's a whole page of you and IT calling each other stupid childish names. Did you two fuck each other yet? Dude, don't blow it, she wants you. Hook up with her, then you won't have to sit at the keyboard and stroke it while you're reading her posts.

mike m said...

Lauren,

Damn it! I'm getting tired of having to cut and paste you're links :)

Anyway, don't have time today. I'm working two jobs, and I'm late as hell for one right now.

Check out the exponential music fest on XPN's site. I'm thinking about going to see Robert Cray.

mike m said...

Sorry, it's spelled XPoNential... (XPN), clever, huh?

ZenGrouch said...

Mikey...

When the Cunt and I went at it, there was a beginning and an end, and a reason for all the shit in between.

With you and the compulsive liar award winning film maker, the babble has no rhyme or reason, for being here, and seems to be endless.

Well, let me take one thing back, there does seem to be a reason, and that's to disrupt this blog.

People who don't like the message or style of Maher, have done this here, and from the very beginning on his old message board, set up long before Real Time was a reality.

It's standard, easily recognizable, and always denied.

As far as never saying anything nice, once upon a time, before you showed your true nature, you and I had pleasant conversations. Seems that stopped when I expressed my opinion on Cold Fusion and the idiots who still believe in it.

Is that the problem, are you one of the retards who still believes in Cold Fusion, despite the fact that no reputable scientific journal will even consider reviewing any papers on the subject, much less publish them?

You're starting to come off like one of 'em, either that or one of the 9-11 conspiracy whack jobs, boo-hooing the fact that nobody with a buck is willing to throw it your way, so that you can save the world with single celled plants, babbling pseudo-intellectual physics bull shit to prove to yourself that you're not as dumb as others believe you to be, circle jerking with Lauren the Loon, who is looking for someone to make him/her feel like her lies are somehow based in reality.

Now, I see you, Cyd da Shid, The Cunt and Lauren as being only deserving of contempt, and being one to not beat around the bush, I'm giving it to you in spades.

ZenGrouch said...

If your tiny minds are wondering why the Nazi Crusader isn't on my contempt list while you are...

Sure, he may be a Hitler sympathizer, but there's an honesty (more or less) to his posts, and a desire to actually debate with those who are opposed to his way of thinking.

That's bringing something to the table!

Lauren Perry said...

grouch,
i've read this blog long before i ever commented on it, and you've had nothing of interest to say. ever.
nor has anything you've said been in any way kind or polite, but rather, even when you're agreeing with someone, your tone is spiteful and mean.

"a desire to debate"??
you really think you're a great debater? the best rhetorician of us all?
grouch,
you bring no new ideas, no new perspectives, nothing at all to your little table of pretend debate
the only thing you bring is an attitude, and a lame one at that

Lauren Perry said...

besides,
"disrupting this blog" is not a bad thing, necessarily
i mean, filling it with pages of pathetic 8th-grade insults is pretty useless and disrupting,
but disrupting it in a way that challenges Maher's thinking is not bad,
in fact,
i'm hoping he reads these and learns a bit more about his listeners
unfortunately,
i think that in reality,
he sees people like you on here, reads a few of your comments and then ceases to come back, presuming the rest of us are as worthless of opinion as you are

ZenGrouch said...

So, you studied this blog long before stepping foot inside?

Why then did you bother to grace us with your presence, when all of this was obviously so beneath you according to your first posts?

The posts I once said you introduced yourself with both barrels blazing.

Yes, we are peons and you are a great world traveler, an award winning film maker who makes his/her home nowhere for more than a few months? Um... unless you count taking pride in his/her current long term residence on the Bay. Oh, the wonderful bay, "Location, location, location..."

Oh, but never mind that. Especially, when called on that little conflict in one's presentation. No need to debate or acknowledge that which can be ignored.

Unless it can no longer be ignored, then approach it with a furious anger, at the persistence of the questioner!

Dude, you're a phony baloney, deceptive liar. Here not to debate, but to fill page after page with circle circle jerk nonsense, for the sake of filling pages.

When I so horribly filled pages with the one who now answers to *The Cunt*... The Cunt started it, and kept coming back for more. What can I say, I had fun at it's expense.

Fun at the expense of someone who chose to mock my opinions.

And *now* you say that I've brought no new ideas to the blog.

Yet when I did bring fresh ideas here, current events I thought interesting, you didn't respond, with anything other than telling me that the anti-right wing nut topics weren't worthy.

Then you and Dr. Digby started your in depth discussion of physics, where I called you on being a total douche for giving credence to any theory that goes against the Big Bang.

Did you respond by defending such an idiotic idea, or did you submerge, surfacing only to go into Gidget mode regaling us with your ideas of what's cool on the music scene.

You claim that I've presented nothing. I claim that it's YOU who has given nothing to the discussion.

You say that I'm not a very good debater.

I'm saying that you've shown absolutely NO debating skills at all.

When cornered you run and hide, until things blow over.

Your posts consist of telling us how wonderful you really are...

You haven't really shown that however. And I actually feel bad for anyone, like Mikey, who might believe your psychotic bull shit.

ZenGrouch said...

Lauren the Loon...

Crusader has you beat, hands down, at debate, presentation of new ideas and character...

And he's a white supremacists who defends Hitler!

You are so far down the food chain, it actually is quite funny!

Lauren Perry said...

to address the "location" thing,
having not lived in one constant place (this would be: home, apt, condo, tent or etc. and NOT: city, state, country, world, universe, etc),
there is then no contradiction - you just draw the line at the Bay, and I refer to living in one place as: not moving from one address to another.

anyway,

your claim that posting links to articles is a new idea is also, well, dumb.
a news piece is just that, news. facts. i mean, events themselves are new, but ideas are not often very new or interesting, especially the more you study.
whats that quote, something like...
boring people talk about people. average people talk about events. great people talk about ideas.

and i don't "run and hide,"
i just have a life, damnit. i go live it from time to time.
why did i start this? boredom, mostly, and a high amount of interest in Real Time.

Lauren Perry said...

grouch,
i really hope you don't think you're going to "Win" or something

it doesn't work like that
it just sort of fizzles out, rages up, fizzles out - watch the news, you'll get the idea

but, i have a feeling that, in your world, you do think that you sometimes "win" and seldom "lose" at what you think is debate
this is going based off of your tone of haughtiness, as such

Anonymous said...

Lauren the socialist,

likes HST? Who was as much into individual freedom as anyone ever...

Then dumps buckets of small talk.

I think you fell out of the religulous Oort cloud that comments on the comments on this Bill's galaxy, taking notes - for their masters, but prolly also to enhance their joie d'vivre.

You are right, its a war of viewpoint, not a single debate. 'Stupid' & 'naive' are not viewpoints, and sheep who get theirs from others do not have viewpoints.

The way I like to think of it, its just like what I do to christians that come to my door to tell me about The Word. I try to leave them better informed & questioning their dogma; I am Satan's Little Helper.

The Witnesses are easiest to break. I only respect the Amish.

Want a apple? I'm going to have some great big mango. Knocks me straight out...

Anonymous said...

"It is better to light a fart
than to be afraid of the dark." - me

ZenGrouch said...

OK... So, when you were bragging about being a world traveler, award winning international documentary film maker, claiming to never have lived in the same place for over a few months for the past "Ohhh..." several years, you were just blowing smoke about moving from one garage apartment to another all in the same area?

What's up, in whatever city you were in, it took a few months to evict?

Or, being a child of world causes you to grow restless, pack your shit in garbage bags, then move from one shit hole to the next in the middle of the night?

Right, your address of the "location" thing really explains it all, in a light that doesn't cast you as a phony at all!


"your claim that posting links to articles is a new idea is also, well, dumb...."


Please note that it was I, who spelled it out to you that I don't read links thrown out there when the poster doesn't even bother to explain what the link is about.

BTW, I was talking about your shit Sherlock.

Show me, one instance where I slung a link out there without explaining what the link was about, or where I didn't just do a cut 'n paste of a quote from the link, then went on to express an opinion on the passage.

You either aren't paying attention, or you're using outright lies to cover your lame ass, hoping that nobody notices what a piece of shit you are.


"and i don't "run and hide,"
i just have a life, damnit.
..."

When I said 'run and hide' I meant that you were doing it in plain site.

You were still here posting drivel, as you were hiding from the posts/questions you felt uncomfortable addressing.

For an important person such as yourself, you spend way too much time here, with your little Gidget pop culture tips.


"i really hope you don't think you're going to "Win" or something..."

Sorry sweet cheeks, game's over and I won.

Granted, *owning* you isn't that much of a prize though.

mike m said...

If it makes you feel like more of a man, you can say you beat me. I guess we all need our little ways of saying,"HAHA, I'm better than that person". That's why people watch Jerry Springer and listen to Howard Stern. If it makes you feel important, fine. Lauren and I were just trying to have a nice little conversation, but I guess since you thought you weren't included, you had to just shit all over it. God forbid someone should be enjoying themselves without you! Besides, it's much easier to debate some neo-Nazi punk kid like Crusader. Any brain dead pseudo-intellectual can do that. But do you really think assholes like that can be reasoned with? If you do, then you really are an idiot. It's a God damned shame that people on both sides are sucked into that bullshit debate. Same with abortion and stem cell. While dumb fucks are preoccupied with arguing bullshit issues, the ruling corporate business class stole the government away from the people. We the people, my ass! Not any more. So you just keep arguing those issues, while We the People lose more of our freedoms.

The Founding Fathers were willing to "take one on the chin" occasionally, if it meant securing individual freedoms. Do you really think there's all that much difference between Cheney and Obama when it comes to National Security? If you buy into that mock debate (dueling speeches) between Cheney an Obama, and didn't realize that they were both saying the same god damned thing, then you should just go back to childish name calling with IT.

mike m said...

lens,
You are so full of shit. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. Yeah, I know that's a cheesy cliche. The Amish? Are you kidding? The JWs. When I was a kid we used to throw snowballs at them. Not when they were knocking on doors, but when they were at their place of Worship. Man, go spread your shit on somebody else's toast.

ZenGrouch said...

"But do you really think assholes like that can be reasoned with? If you do, then you really are an idiot. It's a God damned shame that people on both sides are sucked into that bullshit debate...."


If the persons on both sides of a debate/argument are basically honest then yes, I believe a meeting of the minds is possible, where actual reasoning and an exchange of thoughts is very possible.

If you don't see this, then I believe it is you who is the idiot.

Well... maybe idiot is too harsh a word. Perhaps you're deceptive, and don't even realize it, because the main person you're deceiving is yourself.

Or, maybe you have a different definition of *reasoning* than I do.

Perhaps you feel that if someone can't be made to see the light that guides you, they are just being unreasonable...

A great big fat red flag, indicating that I'm correct about you being self deceptive, is your contention that Obama and Cheney are the same.

That's the kind of fucked up, flat out stupid logic that stuck us with 8 years of Bush, thank you very much.

Let me guess...

...you voted for Nader?

mike m said...

People like Crusader are driven by hate. They live off it. It is the sole motivating force in their lives. Do you think Hitler or Goebels could have been reasoned with? My God, if we had not tried to reason with Hitler, and challenged him in Poland, we would have avoided a whole lot of bullshit, don't you think? In fact, it was Hitler's hatred of Bolsheviks, and Slavic people, that ended up being his own demise. Slavs were just one step below Jews in his final solution. It was Slavs that were as much to blame for destroying his beloved Austria. Sound familiar? Slavs and Jews ruined Austria, just like blacks and Hispanics are destroying America. Christ, if you think you can reason with all that hate, you are a fool.

The only difference between Obama and Cheney on national security is that Obama is trying to change our "image". That's all. Name me one thing he's doing differently besides escalating the war if Afghanistan? How many troops have been withdrawn from Iraq? None of them will be until the oil fields are secure, and Haliburton and those Dubai construction companies are finished building the American Embassy in Iraq. But they won't completely secure the oil fields in Iraq, because then there will be too much oil on the market. If you like the fate of our country being determined by oil companies, and corporations like GE, Target, Home Depot and Wal-Mart, then you just keep voting for republicans and/or democrats. I voted for Obama. His victory was determined long before the election. Why else would Buffet sink 3 Billion into GE? The facts are right in front of you, and you still ignore them. If corporations are going to run this country, then I want a vote on who is on the Board, and who is the CEO.

mike m said...

Do the bond holders of GM actually think they are going to get a better deal in federal bankruptcy court than what the federal government, along with GM officials, offered them?

ZenGrouch said...

"Slavs and Jews ruined Austria, just like blacks and Hispanics are destroying America. Christ, if you think you can reason with all that hate, you are a fool...."

I guess you know something about physics, I don't, because, now correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't one have to be a time traveler to reason with Hitler, or any of his dead staff?

And as far as reasoning with someone of a differing opinion, I mentioned that both sides have to be honest.

And you're being either far from honest or a total dumb fuck, when you claimed that anyone here is blaming Blacks and Hispanics for the current state of America.

Sure, the Nazi stated that Blacks are inferior, but it seems to me that much of his actual scorn, was falling on the shoulders of the *ILLEGALS*.

It's dishonest unreasonable assholes that try to tip the balance of the argument by lumping people such as Hispanics who are living here legally, and Black citizens, in with the *ILLEGALS* who are not here legally, and are draining our social system, making things such as schools and hospitals worse for everyone.

I say, it's dishonest people such as yourself who can't be reasoned with.

"The only difference between Obama and Cheney on national security is that Obama is trying to change our "image". That's all. Name me one thing he's doing differently besides escalating the war if Afghanistan?..."

Let me get this straight before answering your question.

Are you stating that on the international field Obama has done nothing other than change our image, and brought more troops to Afghanistan?

I just want to be sure, so that when I prove you wrong, I can be sure of what I'm saying when I once again accuse you of either being a total douche bag idiot, or an unreasonable liar...

...or both.

So... did you vote for Nader?

ZenGrouch said...

Mike...

You don't believe that G.M. can make out like a bandit in bankruptcy court, when it comes to dealing with the unions?

The foreign car companies manufacturing in the U.S. don't have unions, and have some very happy employees.

mike m said...

Dude, don't you read? I didn't say anything about the fucking unions. Do you even know what a bondholder is?

Here's a quote from crusader:

it's about me protecting Western civilization, which I think is worthy of protection and is under attack by assholes who probably don't deserve to be here, not just because they're of a different race or creed, but because it seems that on the whole people of different races show no respect for white culture....Because the Africans on the whole are intellectually inferior. They are the most incapable people, speaking broadly, of creating a civilization that provides basic necessities such as food, water and viable shelter. But, still, there are many amongst them that are the exception to this norm. They are the ones who belong here. The ones who are most disrespectful also tend to be the stupidest. Whites are, on the whole, more advanced in every way...I reiterate you can not reason with hate like this.


So, go and tell me what Obama has done differently. Gitmo ain't closed yet. And water boarding? Big fucking deal. It's all for show. Talk to me when he does something about the Patriot Act. Besides, I'm talking about National security, not treatment of detainees. Go ahead and tell me. I'll admit when I'm wrong.

ZenGrouch said...

"Dude, don't you read? I didn't say anything about the fucking unions. Do you even know what a bondholder is?..."


OK, you said noting about unions, so I can just fucking forget about adding that to the mix of the discussion?

Right, I don't want to go confusing this intellectual discussion, by adding anything like RELEVANT VARIABLES!

Sheesh...

"Go ahead and tell me. I'll admit when I'm wrong...."

Wrong about what?

You haven't responded to my request, for your definite stand regarding your statement about Obama doing only two things that meet your approval since for what 4 months now?

Like I said, tell me that Obama has only kept two of his promises, so that I can rub your nose in it, and there will be no question of what claims you made.

You seem to be sensitive when called on your untruths, so I just want to be sure that when I call you an idiot or liar, there's no doubt regarding which of us is the actual liar/idiot.

Lauren Perry said...

since, grouch, you like to do it this way...



"OK... So, when you were bragging about being a world traveler, award winning international documentary film maker, claiming to never have lived in the same place for over a few months for the past "Ohhh..." several years, you were just blowing smoke about moving from one garage apartment to another all in the same area?"
- No, clearly your own use of the word "international" immediately negates your question. Idiot.


"What's up, in whatever city you were in, it took a few months to evict?"
- Useless insult, but whatever, it's your defense mechanism, or "debate" mechanism, as perhaps you would say.


"Or, being a child of world causes you to grow restless, pack your shit in garbage bags, then move from one shit hole to the next in the middle of the night?"
- Again, a pointless and unfounded claim. Your "debate" skills shine again, i see.

"Right, your address of the "location" thing really explains it all,"
- This bit doesn't really make sense,

"in a light that doesn't cast you as a phony at all!"
- Another insult, great job.


So far, just to keep you up to date, we have: nothing useful said, a range of insults, and no logical structure of debate or any kind of counter whatsoever.
nice job.
and on....


""your claim that posting links to articles is a new idea is also, well, dumb...."
Please note that it was I, who spelled it out to you that I don't read links thrown out there when the poster doesn't even bother to explain what the link is about."
this is just an example of your laziness. ctrl c, ctrl t, ctrl v. wow that took all of 5 seconds. what a waste.

"BTW, I was talking about your shit Sherlock."
- I know what you were talking about, watson, no need for another pointless insult which does exactly what you complained about - it fills this blog with nonsensical bullshit

"Show me, one instance where I slung a link out there without explaining what the link was about, or where I didn't just do a cut 'n paste of a quote from the link, then went on to express an opinion on the passage."
- Not that i have to, because i wasn't accusing you of this, but sure, i will show you one anyway:
ZenGrouch said...

If you hate those god damned smug penguins HALF as much as I do, you're gonna love this web site:

http://fuckyoupenguin.blogspot.com/
May 20, 2009 4:30 PM
- Pretty nondescript, and actually from your tone of voice it just sounds spiteful. in fact, it turned out to be quite simply dumb. surprise surprise.

"You either aren't paying attention, or you're using outright lies to cover your lame ass, hoping that nobody notices what a piece of shit you are."
- No evidence of my lies, however, and another insult. yawn.


""and i don't "run and hide,"
i just have a life, damnit...."
When I said 'run and hide' I meant that you were doing it in plain site."
- Right, cause that's the definition of "hiding" and all...

"You were still here posting drivel, as you were hiding from the posts/questions you felt uncomfortable addressing."
- Hiding? or going out to shows and bars with friends, hm...

"For an important person such as yourself, you spend way too much time here, with your little Gidget pop culture tips."
- do i? it takes all of 10 minutes to analyze and destroy your pathetic posts, each time.


""i really hope you don't think you're going to "Win" or something..."
Sorry sweet cheeks, game's over and I won.
Granted, *owning* you isn't that much of a prize though."
- i understand now how the world looks to you - a hierarchy of those fools beneath your hairy feet, and those still above you to whom you cling as they all ascend the social, cultural, American ladder of self-importance and ego growth. Exponentially.

i hope this gets through to you. i'm trying to speak your primitive language, but your rhetoric skills are so lacking that analyzing what you say is really just...

a joke.

ZenGrouch said...

"- No, clearly your own use of the word "international" immediately negates your question. Idiot..."

Really?

Gee, and I was so hoping you'd answer that particular question. I mean, not like it was rhetoric or anything like that.

I'm dying to hear more about your wonderful life where you're free to just pack the old garbage bags and move from one shit hole to another on a whim.

As long as it's walking distance, that is!


"- Useless insult, but whatever, it's your defense mechanism, or "debate" mechanism, as perhaps you would say.
..."


No, that was a serious comment/question.

Why would you move from one residence to the next, all within the same area, unless there were some sort of benefit, such as not paying rent and waiting for the eviction notice?

You painted yourself as an award winning international documentary film maker, who is a child of the world. Too free to stay in any one place for more than a few months.

So, you free yourself from the shackles of one dump for another? Not even bothering to change the scenery and smells of one city for the next?

That's fucked up, unless your living out of your car and the cops get on your ass to put air in the tires and move the piece of shit.


"- Again, a pointless and unfounded claim. Your "debate" skills shine again, i see...."


Sweet Jesus, a LOWERCASE *i*?!

How elementary and gouache!

Some school marm you turned out to be!

Thanks for the laugh!

And I suppose you consider your debating skills, where you just make comments like "pointless" without explaining why you feel there is no point to my barb?

Oh, I do believe there is a point. A sharp one with a hook in it, that allowed me to catch and fillet you my little fishy friend.

Otherwise, you certainly do protest too much, over "unfounded" self *negating* drivel.

Anyway... You've produced so much boring crap here, that I won't bother reading or addressing the rest of your *pointless* post.

Perhaps I'll revisit this shit later, when I'm bored, really bored, and in need of a good chuckle at your expense, my little cupie doll!

mike m said...

The unions have nothing to do with bankruptcy court. They've already made their concessions. It's all about the bondholders. Every involved party has made concessions, including upper management. The bondholders are the only hold outs. So, your interjection is moot.

mike m said...

Are you stating that on the international field Obama has done nothing other than change our image, and brought more troops to Afghanistan?

Like I said, tell me that Obama has only kept two of his promises, so that I can rub your nose in it, and there will be no question of what claims you made.

I'm sorry, which one of these were we talking about? My most recent claim regarding Obama was:

...Do you really think there's all that much difference between Cheney and Obama when it comes to National Security? If you buy into that mock debate (dueling speeches) between Cheney an Obama, and didn't realize that they were both saying the same god damned thing,...The only difference between Obama and Cheney on national security is that Obama is trying to change our "image". That's all. Name me one thing he's doing differently besides escalating the war if Afghanistan? How many troops have been withdrawn from Iraq?...

I'm not really sure how or if you addressed this.

Are you stating that on the international field Obama has done nothing other than change our image, and brought more troops to Afghanistan?

I just want to be sure, so that when I prove you wrong, I can be sure of what I'm saying when I once again accuse you of either being a total douche bag idiot, or an unreasonable liar...


Like I said, tell me that Obama has only kept two of his promises, so that I can rub your nose in it, and there will be no question of what claims you made.

I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong. On anything.

mike m said...

If you want someone who will eat whatever you put in front of him and never say its not quite as good as his mother's
......then adopt Zenny.

If you want someone always willing to go out, at any hour, for as long and wherever you want ...
.....then adopt Zenny.

If you want someone who will always touch the remote, doesn't care about football, and can't sit next to you as you watch romantic movies
......then adopt Zenny.

If you want someone who is content to get on your bed just to smother your feet and whom you can push off if he snores
.....then adopt Zenny !

If you want someone who always criticizes what you do, cares if you are pretty or ugly, fat or thin, young or old, who acts as if every word you say is especially non-worthy of listening to, and hates you unconditionally, perpetually ..
.....then adopt Zenny.

BUT, on the other hand, if you want someone who will never come when you call, ignores you totally when you come home, leaves hair all over the place, walks all over you, runs around all night and only comes home to eat and sleep, and acts as if your entire existence is solely to ensure his happiness .,



I'm putting this to music. Thanks, IT.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for playing.

Point: ZenGrouch

The judges feel that the east coast 'prisoner' mindset detracted from the credibility of the Jersey boys. They recommend that the NE/Jersey boys get some perspective, such as heading for FLORIDA.

At least you'll give your momma a vacation.

mike m said...

Florida sucks! Been there, done dat! The entire state of Fla needs to secede, not just Key West. They can be part of Cuba. If Gwen needs a place to stay, she can dump what's his name from Bush, and come stay with me.

Anonymous said...

mikey, mikey

I could have said timbuktoo. The point is, wherever you go, there you are.

Florida doesn't suck. Your life is what you make of it, one moment at a time.

Nothing more.

So your sense of entitlement is a drag. You think someone else is going to light your fire?

Hit the books, get smart, think your way out of that cave you're hiding in. If you remember this, you'll thank me later.

Decision stands. Point: ZenGrouch.

mike m said...

Spare me your coffee house Philosophy, and your half-assed psychoanalytical bullshit. You have no clue. Florida does suck. So does most of the Bible Belt, and the South and all of Texas (except, of course, for the music). I don't know who the fuck you think you are, point Zen? Up yours. You don't even have the balls to complete a profile. You are the one hiding. How many names do you use on this blog? You can be anybody you want to be, here. You can escape your boring little life and create an entire world, all your own. It's easy enough to find out my real name and exactly who I am. Just like I was able to find out about someone else on this blog. Yeah, Zen calls him/her a liar. It took me about 5 minutes to find her, and who she is. She's for real. And she's cool as shit. She reminds me of, well, me, when I was that age. I even found old Zenny. The next time I'm in LA, I'm going to look him up and take him bar hopping, just to see how many times he gets the beat shit out of him (not a typo). But who are you? The mystery man. HA HA I'm the Shadow. The Shadow knows. I'm the Phantom Blogger. You're probably Zenny in disguise. Hey Zen, shoot that fucking skunk, and those damned dogs!

Anonymous said...

This is cool that you can't grow out your bitter, hairy crybaby loser back

Its because I know I might get stalked by extreme bottom trolling pussies like you that I keep my lookups tight.

Later, pussy.

mike m said...

Is this who you are claiming to be? HAHAHAHAHAHA And I'm the fucking Pope. Tell me one thing about CBGBs, that isn't on their website. I've been there many times, back in the day.


Its because I know I might get stalked by extreme bottom trolling pussies like you that I keep my lookups tight.

Who's the pussy? Coward. Bottom troller? Is that the best you can come up with?


FUNHOUSEBondage Binge

mike m said...

To Hell With Stryper!

ZenGrouch said...

Ravin'...

Such an appropriate name, you've chosen for yourself.

Ravin' Whack Fuck Stalker...

...and a liar to boot

ZenGrouch said...

"Hey Zen, shoot that fucking skunk, and those damned dogs!..."


This truly puzzles me...

I would think that you could relate to a pair of stupid dogs so driven by their anger, they allow themselves to be blasted square in face by a poor skunk that's just minding his own business.

I mean, I can feel the poor skunk's pain, each time the dogs force him to fuck up their night.

It's really not that much fun, fucking with stupid animals. But whatta ya' gonna do, when they keep coming back for more?

Anonymous said...

ZenGrouch said..
This truly puzzles me...






What else is new?

:)

Signed:

The "C"

Anonymous said...

A minister decided that a visual demonstration would
Add emphasis to his Sunday sermon.


Four worms were placed into four separate jars.


The first worm was put into a container of alcohol.
The second worm was put into a container of cigarette smoke.
The third worm was put into a container of chocolate syrup.
The fourth worm was put into a container of good clean soil.


At the conclusion of the sermon, the Minister reported the following results:

The first worm in alcohol - Dead.

The second worm in cigarette smoke - Dead
Third worm in chocolate syrup - Dead

Fourth worm in good clean soil - Alive.


So the Minister asked the congregation -


What can you learn from this demonstration?


Maxine was sitting in the back, quickly raised her hand and said,

"As long as you drink, smoke and eat chocolate, you won't have worms!"

That pretty much ended the service --




The majority of whom you blast on this site are not what you claim.

We are fun loving normal people!

Only People who want the spotlight are as you speak of, not Middle America!

but, you don't care tho' do you? Didn't think so....


Let me have it Zenny!

ZenGrouch said...

Stupid Cunt...

When dealing with the likes of you, I'm torn between the teachings of the *Moody Blues* and my mindset of *WWFD* as in "What would Frank Zappa do?"

Unfortunately, for obvious fuckers up of the way things could be...

...I concur (or so, I would like to think) with Frank in thinking you and yours are deserving of nothing but contempt.

HOT DAMN!

Just watched Southland Tales for about the fifth or sixth time, but this time after having eye surgery and being stoned...

Like I never saw the movie before...

WTF?! Where are the line of Oscars for this fucker?

mike m said...

Oh Christ,

Here we go again!

mike m said...

I would think that you could relate to a pair of stupid dogs so driven by their anger...

Uh, who calls himself "Angry Dan"?

That is funny though. Dogs are about the dumbest animals on the planet. What does that say about Man? Beings that Dog is Man's best friend.

Hey, you're a Zappa fan? There was a video I saw of Zappa with Terry Bozzio on drums and Adrien Belew. It was about 20 years ago. Do you know the name of it? I guess I could check Amazon.

I want to thank what's his name. If it wasn't for his claims, I wouldn't have found that old Funhouse footage. Man, that brings back memories. We were fucked up back them. Less than 3 years on the circuit, and they climbed to the top of the NY scene. The singer got pregnant and split up the band. What a waste.

Well, today's my birthday. I've booked a room at Trump Marina, and, well...something like this

Let's have a bachelor (birthday) party!

Anonymous said...

Zenny,
You really need to lighten up!

Is there anything or anyone you "do" like?

:)

ZenGrouch said...

"Uh, who calls himself "Angry Dan"?..."

Most likely guys named *Daniel* at birth.

I believe *Dan* also means friend in Dutch or some other European language.

So, they probably wouldn't call themselves *Angry Dan* because of the conflict in terms.

But anyway...

If you aren't *angry* then you really aren't paying attention, or are scarfing down some kind of mood elevators.

...and

What kind of sorry bastard would suggest shooting a skunk and his neighbor's dogs?

That's over the top, sick crazy kind of anger, get help soon.

ZenGrouch said...

"Is there anything or anyone you "do" like?..."

I like plenty of people, and most people I meet for the first time.

...until they do, or say, something stupid.

Last night my wife told me her mother was upset because maybe 2% of the people in her huge circle of friends and acquaintances, don't like her.

That 2% are really eating away at her.

The wife and I were in agreement that that 2% are obviously fucked up people, who shouldn't be given any thought to.

I then thought for a bit and said something to the effect of, "If fewer than 80% of the people I meet don't find me to be a huge fucking asshole...

...then I'm most likely doing something wrong
."

If you want everyone to be your friend, just keep your fucking mouth shut and carry puppies and/or cute little babies around with you all the time.

mike m said...

What kind of sorry bastard would suggest shooting a skunk and his neighbor's dogs?

It was a joke. You Big Dummy. I remember a movie with De Niro. His neighbor's dogs were barking all the time. So, he went to the house and very respectfully, asked them to do something about the dogs. The guy basically told him to fuck off. So, instead of shooting the dogs, he shot the owners and fed their remains to the dogs.

And the skunk... don't they have animal control where you live? There are such things as traps. Or you could just wait for them to nest under your house. Then you'll really have a problem. Those fuckers are mean, and even meaner when they have young. Don't be a dumb ass. Do something about it.

Anonymous said...

Zenny said...
I then thought for a bit and said something to the effect of, "If fewer than 80% of the people I meet don't find me to be a huge fucking asshole...

...then I'm most likely doing something wrong."




Then you must feel you never do wrong because I'm sure it's 100% that believe it!

:)

ZenGrouch said...

"It was a joke. You Big Dummy..."

Oh, a joke...

...yet when I call myself *Angry Dan* that should be taken at face value?


"I remember a movie with De Niro..."


When I was in the police academy a million years ago, they showed us this movie, where a little kid rides up to you on his bicycle, then whips out a gun, sayz "bye bye piggie!" and blows you away.

Or, a cop shoves a peeping Tom's face through a window, cutting the dickens out of him. Then another cop looks at the bloody fucked up face and says, "Hey! Isn't that the mayor's son!"

Anyway, one episode was of a cop that had a bad night at work, came home, sucked down a half bottle of scotch then goes to bed in the middle of the morning, when his neighbor's dog starts barking incessantly.

You guessed it, not a happy ending for that poor fucking mutt.

mike m said...

I've worked in a lot of nice middle to upper middle class neighborhoods. Every fucking one had at least one dog barking constantly. But it's not the dog's fault, it's the owner's fault. In extreme cases, some vets will operate and cut the vocal cords of a dog. I had thought about kidnapping the neighbor's dog and taking him to the vet.... and then returning him. I guess that would have been wrong. Expensive, also.

mike m said...

With government ownership of GM expected to be about 60%, many are worried that the government is going to tell GM what type of cars to build. Specifically, small, efficient cars that no one will want to buy, pushing GM further into debt.

President Obama has proposed new standards for efficiency and emissions for all vehicles sold in the US. What I foresee, is that the government will ease those standards for GM, giving them an unfair advantage. Then you will really see those Southern Republicans raising hell. Especially, the ones from the states that have foreign owned car manufacturers located in their state.

Lauren Perry said...

That's a great and eerie point, mike.
The gov't will give them $30b on top of the original $20b they have gotten in the last year...
and then ease restrictions on carbon emissions?
that's pretty scary. since when does a country have to sacrifice so much just to keep a company "alive"?
who's really steering the boat, here?

ZenGrouch said...

"With government ownership of GM expected to be about 60%, many are worried that the government is going to tell GM what type of cars to build...."


That might not be an altogether bad idea.

We could point some of our reconnaissance satellites, that are currently spying on potential terrorist training camps, and aim 'em at Japanese automotive proving grounds. Then copy the shit out of whatever they're designing.

For some odd god damned reason, THEY seem to know what will sell in the U.S. of Fuckin' A.!

ZenGrouch said...
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ZenGrouch said...

"and then ease restrictions on carbon emissions?
that's pretty scary. since when does a country have to sacrifice so much just to keep a company "alive"?
..."

Oh, yeah, that's all carved in stone, and is as good as done!

Ya' know what else *I* heard?...

The U.S. is going to change all traffic laws, so that if an American vehicle and a Jap car are involved in an accident, the treasonous son of a mother fucker, driving the Jap piece of shit, will automatically be held responsible for the accident, both criminally and civilly!

Yeah, that's what *I* heard!

mike m said...

Then copy the shit out of whatever they're designing.

We already tried something like that. It was when Clinton was president. The government used the telecommunication monitoring system (I forget what it is called) to intercept communications from European companies to get their trade secrets, and then give them to American companies. The Clinton administration, of course, denied these charges, but said that they would make sure this doesn't happen.

Corporate espionage is serious business. I've done several jobs at corporate offices (Vanguard, Prudential et al) and before 9/11, about 90% of their on site security was focused on corporate espionage. Now, at the Prudential building in Newark, all vehicles entering the loading dock, have to be checked out by bomb sniffing dogs.

[M] What I foresee

[Z] Yeah, that's what *I* heard!


Is somebody putting words in my mouth?
RTFP

Phone Booth

mike m said...

George Tiller was one of just a handful of physicians nationwide who provided late-term abortions. He was murdered on Sunday after several previous attempts on his life and several legal challenges to his work. We talk about what his death means to both sides on the abortion debate and also learn about late-term abortions. Guests are reproductive endocrinologist FRANCES BATZER, KATHY SPILLAR of the Feminist Majority and SHAUN KENNEY of the American Life League.

Excellent, in depth coverage of the issue. I would expect nothing less from Ms. Moss-Coane

Listen!

mike m said...

Just one correction I'd like to make. SHAUN KENNEY of the American Life League states that the Catholic Church does not support birth control. This is not true. The Catholic Church recommends the rhythm method of birth control, for married couples.

ZenGrouch said...

"The Clinton administration, of course, denied these charges, but said that they would make sure this doesn't happen...."

Right... right... 110% accurate!

But say what you will about the hound dog... Clinton DID keep his word, and started selling OUR secrets to the Chinese!

Anonymous said...

Oh, you're hiding here low life....

Come on....Make your accusations here and everywhere you go!

I will not go away!

Anonymous said...

Just so everyone on this blog knows:

Zengrouch has accused Laura Bush of committing Murder!


He is no longer Zenny to me but, Zengrouch...the low life Son of A bitch Asshole and all who agree with him...so be it!

Anonymous said...

mike_m,

I know we've had our differences but, "NEVER" have you accused someone to the likes of Laura Bush of Murder.

Zen....You are going to get so tired of me now because I will not stop now!

The Fun with you stops now!

Anonymous said...

Chicken Shit asshole that you are but, you'll be back tomorrow thinking nobody saw any of this!


Not while I'm still here!

Anonymous said...

Run and hide mr. macho!!!

ZenGrouch said...

"Chicken Shit asshole that you are but, you'll be back tomorrow thinking nobody saw any of this!..."

Perhaps tomorrow you'll sober up and WISH nobody saw any of this.

In the words of that HUGE asshole...

...BRING IT ON!

ya' stupid cunt

Anonymous said...

Stupid Cunts only marry you!

Anonymous said...

Like I care who sees my post?

I think not!

mike m said...

IT

Laura Bush a murderer? Well, if you think about it, if she hadn't "saved" Mr Bush, he'd still be a no good, drunken bum. He would have never become President, and she'd still be a Democrat, like her Father. But I can't blame her. How could she have possibly seen it coming?

mike m said...

Five U.S. contractors held in slaying of another in Iraq



wake up to reality - read Big Boy Rules by Steven Fainaru.
"The sadistic, too-often-murderous conduct of thousands of private security contractors -- our contemporary euphemism for mercenaries -- not only shattered critical relationships between our troops and the local population but also shamed our country. Washington Post columnist and 2008 ... Read MorePulitzer Prize-winner Steve Fainaru's Big Boy Rules is the most vivid account to date of the misfits, thugs and outright psychotics who kill with impunity under corporate flags."


Thanks to GW Bush for short-changing the military, not giving them manpower & equipment needed - we unleashed an army of mercenaries on the Iraqi people and it's possible that organized crime was quick to recognize an opportunity as well. We're paying enormous sums of money to food and entertainment "providers" like a company in New York that is owned by a guy with the highly respected family name of Luciano.

- Ron Gardner


Thank God for Mercs like this guy!

So, with mercenary groups like Blackwater still in Iraq, does it mean that Pres. Obama and Sec. Clinton are now in bed with these companies?

ZenGrouch said...

"So, with mercenary groups like Blackwater still in Iraq, does it mean that Pres. Obama and Sec. Clinton are now in bed with these companies?..."

Sure, Blackwater supplies mercenaries, but they also supply, all kinds of other support, some needed, some just there to pick up a paycheck for themselves and a hefty service fee going to Blackwater and the other companies.

Problem is, as long as we have troops in Iraq, we need someone to cook their meals and clean their toilets, for somewhere $100,000 a year.

How much more difficult do you think it would be to get people to fill our all volunteer military, if we expected them to cook their own food and clean their own toilets?

mike m said...


How much more difficult do you think it would be to get people to fill our all volunteer military

I think you hit the nail on the head. All voluntary military. Maybe military service should be a requirement for citizenship, like in other countries. Maybe we shouldn't have pussyfooted around in the beginning, and instituted a draft. The military should be self-sufficient. It shouldn't need "help" from private contractors. And what would happen should the private security forces become stronger than the military? The armed forces would just be a training ground for the corporate militias.

ZenGrouch said...

I don't believe anyone has to worry about the private military becoming more powerful than the actual military.

Due to the fact that when you're in the Army, you can't quit when the shit gets too deep, as the contractors can.

mike m said...

Sure about that?

ZenGrouch said...

Sure about what exactly?

I made more than one statement.

But I'll try and break it down.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that you can't just quit the Army when things get hairy, unless you don't mind a dishonorable discharge for trying to French Kiss your commander's A-Hole in the shower...

And yeah, contractors can quit their contract anytime. Sure, if they don't serve out the entire contract they lose cash, but the contracts are for a much shorter duration than an enlistment in the military.

I got a buddy who was a contractor in Baghdad, making a shit load of money for basically being a warm body for his company, which was making even more on his presence.

His contracts weren't that long, and easily broken if you don't mind the penalties.

It just took a few incoming rockets near his traitor in the Green Zone and he packed his shit.

He had no delusions of serving his country, he was there for the money, which was probably 5 times over what the military people were making, while risking their lives.

mike m said...

Sounds like a bad deal for the government all around. Who the fuck signed these contracts? I wonder.....

Anonymous said...

The last line, although funny, is demeaning to pigs.

it's me said...

In my opinion..........

Bill- Just heard you on Countdown, June 12, 2009, I believe. You spoke about the fact that Obama needs to get going on various issues. No one seems to understand what has forestalled "change"& "congress" and such. Well I think "Biological Warfare" is the answer - i.e.Swine flu scare.

I found it very interesting that just after Obama's trip to Mexico, this so called swine flu hit, of course, with the potential of killing billions of people.

This fact, would scare anyone into submission.

It's a good blackmailer and I think that is what is happening, we are being blackmailed with the use of these biological agents and those toxic chemicals being sprayed on Americans. Here is a u-tube video on how to protect yourself from such an attack of some of these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty1SMtpuaO4&NR=1

Now most know that we do have terrorists within our borders but not many realize that we also still have them in the government and other key positions.

Here's why Swine Flu appears to be man made per scientists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnSX_jS0STA

Unknown said...

Bill, you are an idiot and untalented piece of crap....you are on a net work with virtually no viewers....How dare you impune the the bright American's who ignore your point of view.......if your ratings drop another 50 points.....it will just be 25 points above your IQ....dirt bag...


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Cable News Ratings for Monday, July 27, 2009

Posted on 28 July 2009 by Bill Gorman

Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for July 27, 2009

P2+ Total Day
FNC – 1,336,000 viewers
CNN – 578,000 viewers
MSNBC –386,000 viewers
CNBC – 204,000 viewers
HLN – 251,000 viewers

wayner said...

Just watched your movie Religulous and want to thank you for exposing the brainwashing bullshit of the guilt trip called religion. Religous indoctrination is child abuse because it is about an organization having power and control over you. Many religions do have some core values which if followed will improve your life but in reality religion is used by men to advance their own power. The hypocracy of the whole concept of religions each believing in their own absolute validity is mind-boggling. I think the aboriginals had it right. Thank you for your courage.

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Dean Jackson said...

In 1997 NORAD said they insure, "Aircraft flying over our air space are monitored seven days a week, 24 hours a day."

In 2004 the Air Force contradictorily said, "Before 2001, 1st Air Force was charged with keeping an eye on the nation’s borders, usually looking for threats in the form of Russian aircraft skirting too close for comfort to the mainland. In those few hours, the command’s mission went from looking outward to looking inward."

See the 5 articles on NORAD at www.DNotice.org

Dean Jackson said...

In 1997 NORAD said they insure, "Aircraft flying over our air space are monitored seven days a week, 24 hours a day."

In 2004 the Air Force contradictorily said, "Before 2001, 1st Air Force was charged with keeping an eye on the nation’s borders, usually looking for threats in the form of Russian aircraft skirting too close for comfort to the mainland. In those few hours, the command’s mission went from looking outward to looking inward."

See the 5 articles on NORAD at www.DNotice.org

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